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p12owe
p12owe e2 Member 1101 forum postsp12owe vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
28 Dec 2012 - 8:10 AM


Quote: You have won the lottery of life being born or living in this country if you think the CEO of any bank gets paid too much then stop moaning and work hard to become the CEO of a bank.

My sentiments entirely!

Whilst it would be nice to believe this, and some national newspapers try to indoctrinate us into believing it, The truth is that these jobs are almost without exception achieved through connections priviledge and private education. No amount of hard work will ever get you a job like that! Sorry if that sounds a bit lefty, but the facts speak for themselves. The sad truth is that many of our countries hardest workers get little financial reward, whilst paying for the lifestyle of those both above and below them.

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keith selmes
28 Dec 2012 - 8:18 AM


Quote: Well I have just got home from one hell of a night on the lash.

Not the best time to start typing Grin

p12owe
p12owe e2 Member 1101 forum postsp12owe vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
28 Dec 2012 - 8:44 AM


Quote: Well I have just got home from one hell of a night on the lash.

Not the best time to start typing Grin

Oh I don't know.... always makes for some cracking discussions!!! Grin

collywobles
28 Dec 2012 - 3:59 PM


Quote: Whilst it would be nice to believe this, and some national newspapers try to indoctrinate us into believing it, The truth is that these jobs are almost without exception achieved through connections priviledge and private education. No amount of hard work will ever get you a job like that! Sorry if that sounds a bit lefty, but the facts speak for themselves. The sad truth is that many of our countries hardest workers get little financial reward, whilst paying for the lifestyle of those both above and below them.

The Bankers mention is just a demonstration of what You/I/We need to do if we are to improve ours and our families lives, give them a good standard of living and a nice place to live and be educated. All the complaining in the world about how Bankers ripped us off (although I dont see it that way) , Low Pay, Privileged Education etc wont change anything. If you are not happy with your lot, then change it.

I was brought up on a council estate and vowed that neither I or my family would live on one. I got educated, went to Uni got a job where I progressed to senior levels. All my 4 children went to Uni and now I have a Grandson that attends the same private school that David Cameron attended. I am proud that I contributed to all these achievements - the other option was to sit on my arse with no ambition and complain about Bankers and Low Paid Jobs............. the facts speak for them selves ONLY if you let it. You have a choice.


PS: I like your very clever avatar. (8o)

Last Modified By collywobles at 28 Dec 2012 - 4:06 PM
p12owe
p12owe e2 Member 1101 forum postsp12owe vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
28 Dec 2012 - 4:35 PM


Quote:
I got educated, went to Uni got a job where I progressed to senior levels.

I think you meant to say- I had the opportunity to get educated, go to uni, and progress to senior levels.

Of course it takes some hard work on the individuals part as well, but it is naive to consider that despite circumstance everyone will get those same chances in life. It is also naive to consider that through education and privilege some will not get a much easier ride to the top. If not, why would your grandson go to David Cameron's old school instead of the local comprehensive?
...just an observation

Ps thanks for noticing my avatar!

monkeygrip
28 Dec 2012 - 5:58 PM

I hear this "given the opertunity" a lot these days you don't deserve to be given anything I too grew up on a council estate but instead of waiting to be given the opertunity I went and got it myself.

If you beleive there is a limit to what you will achieve that's the highest you will ever go.

You just have to start lower down the ladder than those who are lucky enough to be born into a privileged environment climb harder and faster fight dirtier and never give up.

collywobles
28 Dec 2012 - 6:08 PM


Quote: If not, why would your grandson go to David Cameron's old school instead of the local comprehensive?

Because he gets a far superior education there than he would at a local comprehensive with an almost gaurantee he will get to Oxbridge.

p12owe
p12owe e2 Member 1101 forum postsp12owe vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
28 Dec 2012 - 6:25 PM


Quote: I too grew up on a council estate.

I hear this a lot these days ..... Some might say that the provision of subsidised housing could be construed as being given an opportunity, sadly one that is not so readily available nowadays.


Quote: If not, why would your grandson go to David Cameron's old school instead of the local comprehensive?

Because he gets a far superior education there than he would at a local comprehensive with an almost gaurantee he will get to Oxbridge.

ie. "given the opportunity" .... I don't think anymore needs to be said Wink

hi14ry
hi14ry  1 England
28 Dec 2012 - 9:54 PM

Back to the original thread. I am working in childrens mental health.......I know that some children "these days" have not developed any of the coping mechanisms that the older generations inherited from their parents. Many Children are crumbling under the stress of education, study and just being a kid in this modern world!!!! Do I think life is better for children today....NO! The family circle is dispersed, not round the corner as it used to be. The majority of parents BOTH have to work to support their family, so children spend less time than ever with their parents. And all this technology has introduced a very self isolating group of youngsters who spend more and more time in their bed rooms on the internet or utilising other technology!

So.....back to the original thread....... NO our children are struggling to cope, alone, without the support of many parents (through no fault of the parents..me included!) Children are children for sooooo little time these days, they have to grow up tooooo fast! H x

oldblokeh
oldblokeh  2722 forum posts United Kingdom
28 Dec 2012 - 10:20 PM


Quote: Children are children for sooooo little time these days, they have to grow up tooooo fast! H x

Surely, though, the concept of a lengthy childhood is a recent invention anyway. After all, it was not until 1893 that the school leaving age was raised to just 11 years. 1921 saw it raised to 14. A proper childhood, as we see it today, was the preserve of the well-to-do.

keith selmes
28 Dec 2012 - 10:41 PM

Those were good points though, about childhood today. There have been some weird changes in recent years.

One awkwardness in this thread is working out which previous generations we're comparing with.
Certainly my grandfathers would have been out to work full time at about 12 years.
My father left school at 14 and was being bombed at 16, and both parents were in the army at 18.
I believe my grandmothers worked as well as my grandfathers, just to get enough food, never mind the luxuries that people work for now.
I don't think it's worth considering the possibility that young people have it easier until at least '62, when WW3 almost happened, and I think the last squad went through National Service in the UK.

brian1208
brian1208 e2 Member 109965 forum postsbrian1208 vcard United Kingdom12 Constructive Critique Points
28 Dec 2012 - 10:58 PM

When I was a child in the '40s I was taught about my duty to society and the need for personal responsibility for my own actions

Looking at the present generation it seems to me that they are taught about their rights and that everyone else is responsible for what happens to them (and if they don't like it - dial a lawyer will get them money)

paulcookphotography

One difference recent generations have is the 'fame' factor. Many aspire to be famous. Not a famous scientist or explorer or whatever, but just to have fame in whatever way it comes (mainly through little or no effort, if possible). Many kids growing up, or those in their early adulthood see shows like the X-Factor, Big Brother, etc as the pinnacle of success, unfortunately, and dont seem to regard their education and/or a decent steady job as being quite so important.

While it cant be said for everyone, it does seem that more and more often its about the world owing them something, rather than them earning it. Whether thats the media to blame, or something else, its hard to say, but i never grew up that way or had any dreams of being famous, and i'm quite sure my parents and grandparents were the same. We have all become successful in our own ways, fortunately, but that came from a mix of hard work and a bit of luck here and there.

(and as mentioned earlier about the confusion over what generations people are referring to, i'm 38, and have a 12 year old)

Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1214387 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
28 Dec 2012 - 11:14 PM

Did you do national service Brian.

StrayCat
StrayCat  1014201 forum posts Canada2 Constructive Critique Points
28 Dec 2012 - 11:17 PM

I was born in '45, and I believe it was the generations before mine that had the short childhoods. We had it comparatively easy. An old friend of mine told me many times that he missed out on being a teenager; he said he went from 11 to a man overnight, and at age 17 he was in the Canadian Navy as a B gunner on Corvettes during WWII, doing North Atlantic escorts. I'll do the math;Grin I turned 67 this month, and last month we had our 46th wedding anniversary.

Last Modified By StrayCat at 28 Dec 2012 - 11:22 PM

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