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Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1314968 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
24 Jan 2012 - 10:16 PM


Quote: Unfortunately Paul, you have not quantified why

It would leave us with to many skilled potato peelers, toilet cleaners and HGV drivers without work when they get out.

Then there`s the cost.

Last Modified By Paul Morgan at 24 Jan 2012 - 10:17 PM
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Big Bri
Big Bri  1315548 forum posts England
24 Jan 2012 - 10:48 PM


Quote: We should fetch it back for persistent offenders

The last thing our professional armed forces need or want is to be inundated with persistent offenders. If you want to give them a hard time, put them on a chain gang to build this new rail link and save us a few bob.

Sooty_1
Sooty_1 Critique Team 41181 forum posts United Kingdom196 Constructive Critique Points
24 Jan 2012 - 10:55 PM

Why do so many people consider being in the armed forces a punishment???

I, for one, would not want to be in a slit trench in Afghanistan with a social misfit/reprobate/criminal. I want to know I can trust the bloke next to me. Maybe a crash course in mine or IED clearance but not in a regular (or TA) unit. No thank you very much.

Besides, by the time many of these people are old enough to serve, the damage is already done

ade_mcfade
ade_mcfade  1014747 forum posts England216 Constructive Critique Points
24 Jan 2012 - 10:58 PM

what was the purpose of national service?

KevSB
KevSB  101405 forum posts United Kingdom5 Constructive Critique Points
24 Jan 2012 - 11:09 PM

National service was to train a citizens army that could be called on at any time in the future to defend the interest of the country. A role in today's society taken up by the TA. The problems with national service was the quality of soldier could not be garrenteed to a high standard,something that can be controlled in a volunteer Army

Last Modified By KevSB at 24 Jan 2012 - 11:14 PM
ade_mcfade
ade_mcfade  1014747 forum posts England216 Constructive Critique Points
24 Jan 2012 - 11:15 PM

hmmmm - did seem a bit of a blanket approach then

bit like sending everyone to university, regardless of intelligence.....

ah... that's already happening Wink

Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1314968 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
24 Jan 2012 - 11:17 PM

In 45 hundreds of thasounds of conscripts got demobbed leaving us with a pretty small professional army.

Germany alone needed something like 100, 000, then there was Austria, then there was Palastine, Aden, the Suez Canal, Cyprus, Singapore, Hong Kong and countless other places that needed policing, they were troubled times.

We need a professional army and skilled trades in these services cost.

Sooty_1
Sooty_1 Critique Team 41181 forum posts United Kingdom196 Constructive Critique Points
24 Jan 2012 - 11:21 PM

The original purpose (outside of war) was to maintain the armed forces at a level that would be able to continue the commitments Britain had made (eg rebuilding the damage caused by the war, policing countries such as occupied Germany, Cyprus, the Middle East, Hong Kong and many others). Considering the numbers demobilised and the shrinkage of the armed forces post WW2, it meant that men were not forced to serve indefinitely, nor stay away from their families for years at a time.

It was also hoped that it would have a beneficial effect on young men, making them fitter, more self-disciplined, more self-reliant and give them self-respect. It also helped promote community spirit and cameraderie - the sense that they were "all in the same boat" regardless of their backgrounds, and it was even hoped that it would curb the rise of "bolshiness" , unionism and socialism that sprung up toward the end of the war.

monstersnowman
24 Jan 2012 - 11:23 PM


Quote: Hmmmm - did seem a bit of a blanket approach then

bit like sending everyone to university, regardless of intelligence.....

ah... that's already happening Wink

Grin

strawman
strawman  1022003 forum posts United Kingdom16 Constructive Critique Points
24 Jan 2012 - 11:24 PM


Quote: Why do so many people consider being in the armed forces a punishment???

Like many things what one person loves another hates, simply put the regimented life square bashing etc sounds boring to me. Assault course and training to use weapons, no thanks, learning to obey commands without question not for me either. I can honestly say that if I had been sent to the Army @ 18 I would have viewed it as a punishment and an unfair curtailment of a period of my life. I had a plan and I was embarking on it. I cannot think of anything useful going on national service either. My father had to endure it and it did him no favours either.

Then there is the fact that you want a professional army, not one filled with either reluctant recruits that are just not into it and biding their time to get out, or the delinquents in life. Plus it cost a lot of money.

If you want correctional facilities for young people have them, but do not inflict the problems on our armed services, or inflict a one size fits all punishment on all young people. Not all young people are a problem so why treat them as such?

Last Modified By strawman at 24 Jan 2012 - 11:24 PM
thewilliam
24 Jan 2012 - 11:27 PM

Anyone remember the Lockheed Starfighter? A very dependable plane when maintained by the professionals in the USAF but the Luftwaffe allowed conscripts to work on the plane and they lost so many that it became known as "the widow-maker". It was as bad as letting work-experience students service a Formula One car - some jobs need to be done by the experts.

Paul is dead right when he says we need professional armed services!

Last Modified By thewilliam at 24 Jan 2012 - 11:28 PM
KevSB
KevSB  101405 forum posts United Kingdom5 Constructive Critique Points
24 Jan 2012 - 11:30 PM

We had until then been at war contiuously for hundreds of years and wars had been about numbers so your reference to blanket approach was quite apt, nuclear weapons gave us a period in history of no large wars for a very long time so canon fodder was not needed on that scale anymore.
Nations learned to fight by proxy, warfare now is no longer about mass manpower but highly trained and high tech.
There is no doubt the next phase is wars fought by remote as more equipment becomes automated.

Big Bri
Big Bri  1315548 forum posts England
24 Jan 2012 - 11:31 PM


Quote: Hmmmm - did seem a bit of a blanket approach then

bit like sending everyone to university, regardless of intelligence.....

ah... that's already happening Wink

That's right. You went to uni didn't you....

ade_mcfade
ade_mcfade  1014747 forum posts England216 Constructive Critique Points
24 Jan 2012 - 11:33 PM

yes - but I'm a genius bri

just hide it well

Wink

Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1314968 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
24 Jan 2012 - 11:34 PM

And if youngsters were forced into the service what would they end up doing, can`t see many learning professional trades, imagine the cost involved in training a professional RAF aircraft technician Smile

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