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New London-Birmingham rail link


filmforever 7 695
10 Mar 2011 5:47PM
Don't know if this subject has come up before (apologies if it has), But what exactly is the point of the proposed high speed London to Birmingham rail link?

A wide area of pristine Chiltern countryside will be carved up, plus thousands of acres of prime farmland at a time when we're being told of possible food shortages in the future. Not to mention the many that will lose their homes.

And all so that a few businessmen can save about 30mins. on the present Euston-Birmingham service.

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joolsb 10 27.1k 38 Switzerland
10 Mar 2011 7:38PM

Quote:Don't know if this subject has come up before (apologies if it has), But what exactly is the point of the proposed high speed London to Birmingham rail link?



Rail travel is getting ever more popular; roads are getting ever more crowded and the current West Coast Main Line is twisty, slow and congested. Besides, much of the rest of Europe long ago overtook us in terms of investing in high-speed lines. For the country that invented rail-travel, we have fallen woefully behind - mainly due to decades of under-investment. It's the British disease.



Quote:And all so that a few businessmen can save about 30mins. on the present Euston-Birmingham service.



Why just businessmen? Surely it's going to be for anybody who wants to use it?
MrGoatsmilk 6 1.5k England
10 Mar 2011 7:56PM
Since the price of fuel and the fact I am being moved further from home again to work, I am now looking at cycling and using the train. If the train I was looking at was 30mins quicker then that would mean I would get to travel 1 hour less per day and get to spend that time with my kids instead.
Paul Morgan e2
13 16.1k 6 England
10 Mar 2011 8:07PM

Quote:Why just businessmen? Surely it's going to be for anybody who wants to use it?


At a price Sad
PP 13 222 England
10 Mar 2011 8:18PM

Quote:Why just businessmen? Surely it's going to be for anybody who wants to use it?




Well, current proposal is that HS2 will be whizzing its way close to where I live. Will I be able to use it? No, it won't be stopping at my town! We will have the pleasure of listening to all the noise though, and can enjoy the view of a train line passing through an area of outstanding beauty. Some call it progess.
Overread 6 3.9k 18 England
10 Mar 2011 8:22PM
What ever happened to all those ideas of building things underground rather than overground... works for the London Underground so why not go cross country with it! Save the farm land and give you the super fast train!
Paul Morgan e2
13 16.1k 6 England
10 Mar 2011 8:38PM

Quote:works for the London Underground so why not go cross country with it! Save the farm land and give you the super fast train!


Something like a good 80/90 % of it dose`nt actually run underground.
joolsb 10 27.1k 38 Switzerland
10 Mar 2011 9:31PM

Quote:What ever happened to all those ideas of building things underground rather than overground...


Probably the fact that drilling tunnels through solid rock is vastly more expensive than going overground has something to do with it....
Paul Morgan e2
13 16.1k 6 England
10 Mar 2011 9:35PM

Quote:Probably the fact that drilling tunnels through solid rock is vastly more expensive than going overground has something to do with it....


That as well, not that going above ground makes it particularly simple.
Overread 6 3.9k 18 England
10 Mar 2011 9:39PM

Quote:
Probably the fact that drilling tunnels through solid rock is vastly more expensive than going overground has something to do with it....



Well we went all the way to France (under sea! ) just to get cheap booze and cigs - so all we have to do is find something in the north that we really want which is cheaper and make a saving there!
joolsb 10 27.1k 38 Switzerland
10 Mar 2011 9:50PM
Well, I did say tunnelling is more expensive than going overland - not over sea.... Wink

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