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    ChrisV
    ChrisV  7663 forum posts United Kingdom26 Constructive Critique Points
    5 Mar 2013 - 1:05 PM

    Nikon have today announced a new APSc sensor compact with a fixed 28mm equiv. f2.8 lens.

    It's very compact and the sensor if it's the same as the proven 16mp unit they have used in DSLRs, will be capable of producing very good results. But the price... £1000 and the optional viewfinder at $450 [probably £400] couldn't make your eyes water more if it fell into them.

    It looks like a nice camera, but I'm not sure why they've introduced it with a fairly wide optic - not very fast one at that. Any thoughts? Will the price rapidly fall to a point where it might be a bit more tempting to the target audience [compact second camera for DSLR shooters].

    It is very small, but I can't help thinking they're literally asking too much for too little...

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    Carabosse
    Carabosse e2 Member 1139367 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
    5 Mar 2013 - 1:11 PM

    It's a niche product - a bit like some of the pricey Fuji stuff.

    samueldilworth

    The price will fall a bit over time, but I wouldnít expect bargain-price fire sales the like of which have hit many mirrorless cameras. Itís probably a fairly costly camera to make, and itís got the weight of Nikonís brand behind it to keep people interested. Itís also attractive in an uncontroversial way, unlike some flops (the Pentax K-01), and it probably works pretty well, unlike some other flops that got the basics wrong (some Sigma DP-series cameras).

    The lens is interesting. I think Nikon did an 18.5 mm f/2.8 for a few reasons:

    ē†the focal length is very useful for snapshots in urban environments, which is the natural habitat of this camera
    ē this type of lens can be made much smaller than zooms or faster primes without serious compromises in image quality
    ē†itís a classic focal length: the wide choice for many photographers in the good old days. People are used to it, and the Japanese are particularly fond of it, much like Europeans and Americans are especially fond of the 35 mm. Needless to say, Japan will be a big market for any flagship compact by a Japanese brand
    ē†itís about as wide as you can go in a fixed-lens camera made for snapshots. Anything wider risks being seen as specialist (okay in a zoom, but not a fixed prime)
    ē with a large, high-quality sensor, you can crop to get a narrower angle of view if you really want a 35 mm or even 50 mm equivalent

    There will be widespread outrage at the fixed 28 mm prime (and price, perhaps?), but largely from people who had no intention of buying this kind of camera anyway. That is the way of the web.

    I kind of like the silver model, though I canít afford it (and I already have a lovely Ricoh GR Digital IV that serves a similar purpose).

    Paul Morgan
    Paul Morgan e2 Member 1214397 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
    5 Mar 2013 - 7:18 PM

    With the price falling in the cost of full frame sensors, surely this is where manufactures should be looking.

    Personally I can`t see it being a big seller, not with a fixed 28mm eqi lens.

    Should have gone with a 35 to 40mm equ lens.

    Last Modified By Paul Morgan at 5 Mar 2013 - 7:21 PM
    samueldilworth


    Quote: Personally I can`t see it being a big seller, not with a fixed 28mm eqi lens.

    But let me guess, Paul: youíve no intention of buying a ~£1k camera with a fixed prime lens in the first place, am I right?

    By my reckoning, 28 mm-e is ideal in a fixed prime camera. Itís not for nothing that many others past and present have also opted for 28 mm-e lenses in their premium compacts, including Ricoh and Sigma, and even Nikon with its 28Ti film compact.

    Youíre right it wonít be a big seller, but itís a start for Nikon to reclaim lost mind share among aficionados of fine cameras. This group, properly tapped, is a real money-spinner.

    dandeakin
    dandeakin  6187 forum posts England3 Constructive Critique Points
    5 Mar 2013 - 9:50 PM

    28mm would be the ideal fixed lens for me.

    That said I can't see why anyone would buy a £1k compact camera - especially one with only f2.8, no VR etc.

    If I had a spare £1k I'd be getting a ex-1 , Nex 7, e-pl5 or NX300 etc with a small prime lens.

    dandeakin
    dandeakin  6187 forum posts England3 Constructive Critique Points
    5 Mar 2013 - 9:55 PM

    And that retractable lens looks like it will last about 5 minutes.

    joshwa
    joshwa ePHOTOzine Staff 3583 forum postsjoshwa vcard United Kingdom
    5 Mar 2013 - 10:14 PM

    I'm not sure the Fuji X100 was really a niche product with 100k + sales...

    Paul Morgan
    Paul Morgan e2 Member 1214397 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
    5 Mar 2013 - 10:16 PM


    Quote: But let me guess, Paul: youíve no intention of buying a ~£1k camera with a fixed prime lens in the first place, am I right?

    No I love them, and I still used a fixed lens rangefinder (for film) I`ve always wanted an x100.

    They got it right with the x100, a 35mm eq lens, with the option to go wider if you want to.


    Quote: If I had a spare £1k I'd be getting a ex-1 , Nex 7, e-pl5 or NX300 etc with a small prime lens

    I know where you could get a GF2 with the 14mm (28mm eq) pancake, for less than £200 Smile

    Hmm looks like there`s only one left, at a bit other 200.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B0057LZHA0/sr=/qid=/ref=olp_tab_used?ie...

    Last Modified By Paul Morgan at 5 Mar 2013 - 10:22 PM
    dandeakin
    dandeakin  6187 forum posts England3 Constructive Critique Points
    5 Mar 2013 - 10:21 PM

    I've got an e-pl3 with the 14mm pancake already! It's the only m4/3 lens I own.

    I'd love the fuji e-x1 with a 28mm equivalent prime instead mind...

    Paul Morgan
    Paul Morgan e2 Member 1214397 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
    5 Mar 2013 - 10:24 PM

    Those e-x1 bodies are down in price to about £700 now.

    Get a cheap adapter and fit almost any lens you like.

    With the kit lens its still less than 1K

    http://www.wexphotographic.com/buy-fuji-x-e1-silver-digital-camera-with-18-55mm-...

    Last Modified By Paul Morgan at 5 Mar 2013 - 10:30 PM
    samueldilworth
    5 Mar 2013 - 10:28 PM

    This new Nikon is a much smaller camera than the Fujifilm X100. I like the X100, mind you. A friend has one and Iíve shot with it indoors and on walks around Paris. Itís a lovely camera to use, with a remarkable viewfinder. However, itís compact only in name.

    The Coolpix A (maybe itís time to retire that awkward ĎCoolpixí name?) is a very small camera: a good deal smaller than even the Samsung EX1 dandeakin mentions above, despite having a sensor about eight times bigger. This extreme compactness is only possible with a fixed, moderate-speed prime lens.

    dandeakin
    dandeakin  6187 forum posts England3 Constructive Critique Points
    5 Mar 2013 - 10:29 PM


    Quote: Those e-x1 bodies are down in price to about £700 now.

    Get a cheap adapter and fit almost any lens you like.

    With the kit lens its still less than 1K

    http://www.wexphotographic.com/buy-fuji-x-e1-silver-digital-camera-with-18-55mm-lens/p1532704

    Can't justify it on top of a D700 and a load of FX glass.

    Mind you, now I'm thinking...

    Not sure I'd buy the Nikon A even if it was £300.

    Last Modified By dandeakin at 5 Mar 2013 - 10:36 PM
    Paul Morgan
    Paul Morgan e2 Member 1214397 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
    5 Mar 2013 - 10:31 PM

    Better off getting the x10 or saving a little more and getting the new x20 Smile

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