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As long ago as March 2010 (ie 2 whole months!), 75% of the responses received in the poll about Votes/Awards were happy with the current system. More didn't care than were against it! So one questions the motive for potentially changing the system.
Perhaps you ought to redo the poll in a couple of months time, and ask the membership which system they prefer, and adopt whichever system comes out as most satisfactory.
Agree about the comment about new/young members potentially getting negative votes. My 11 year old uploads occaisionally, and gets a few votes. She's OK with that, but if she then got 6 for and 10 against leading to a negative score, how would she feel..... bye bye member in all probablility. (these people are your future as well!!)
Something Else I dont understand is how the New Photoraphy Choice Gallery works
I click on Photography Choice Award Gallery and its empty.....I then click on the Im not sure what this is gallery via the previous page and theres pics with votes from 1 to 25
Am I being a bit slow but Im just not getting it...
Can someone please explain it to me 
Quote: I have just uploaded a shot in this new gallery and think this system has got potential, the problem i have is that i want to know why i have recieved negative votes. I think people who upload to this section are prepared to take the criticism on the chin and i know i personally would respect the feedback even if negative. What is annoying is a negative vote with no feedback at all. A positive click with no comment leads you to believe you are on the right track, but a negative one with no feedback just leaves you wondering what went wrong????
Fish
I have to agree entirely. I certainly would want to know why someone has down voted my image as constructive criticism is helpful. I think the 'down voting' could be open to abuse.
[quote]I reckon if you forced people to comment for -ve comments, you'd stop people doing -ve comments in the first place.
That's more or less the point of my suggestion; to discourage people to give a negative vote for the sake of it. A negative vote without any justification is nothing other than discouragement to the photographer and will turn people off the site. If you're going to vote a photograph down you should at least have the courage of your convictions and say why.
Quote: Also - has anyone noticed that your existing uploads are no longer able to receive votes under the current system..????
The proposed system is a BETA Davis - QED, the existing system remains the approved method.
So why have my images lost the ability to be voted on?
Ah, not that would explain why some members are re-submitting old works. (Spotted repeats already).
I would only vote on an image which caught my attention - in most cases the thumb nail determines which ones are viewed in closer detail, I would not dream of looking at an image to vote it down and can not see any merit in this especially if it can result in a negative vote. O k have a system of score say 0-5 so you can pass comment with low - high or no score but for those of us who want to learn and continue to try and improve our skill with our camera, a negative vote would be destructive and not consturctive. I have learned a lot from other people on site and enjoy honest critique and if my image was not of a standard then the score would show this.
Linda
lol this is a hilarious option for a site like this.
- you need to impose a system where a default uploaded photograph IS the down vote.... It gets UP'ed by people favouring it and then the image has an area where it says "xxx" favourited this, and then xxx's favourites are listed on xxx's user page. In this way all images are DOWN per say until they are favourites of the people listed.
The problem at the moment that votes are so detached from users. - and this makes them valueless.
Stick a little element on a user page that says "user voted for: xxx xxx xxx xxx " and youl'll see how many people vote properly for things they like.
DRicherby wrote:
Quote: Why replace a system...
Pete wrote: (and ade_mcfade wrote much the same thing)
Quote: I must stress this is not a replacement or even decided (unless it becomes far more popular). The existing system continues the new one is a beta and experimental.
I realise it's just a test at the moment. I was responding to roxpix who was advocating that the new system should replace the old system.
Dave.
My general feeling is that it's a recipe for disaster. Why would anyone want to vote a photo down (at the end of the day, it's only personal taste anyway)? Surely, if you don't like a photo, then you don't vote on it. Why not scrap the voting system altogether and just let people leave comments? You could keep all the other awards and maybe let people give a daily, rather than a weekly, user's award.
Vicky
Stop Chirping You Lot and Have a Look at How the New System Is Working
In the Mystery Im Not Sure What it is Gallery Here
The First Picture There Has A -2 Rating......How the hell is that right....Its Pretty Disgusting In my Book That its allowed to happen
Dont forget the header of the Site.......Community......Not openly destroy confidence in posting a picture
Having down votes take away from positive votes is WRONG. Who designed this?
LOL.
Currently this is an option to "allow people to take away votes" - and that is all.
Again I will re-iterate the problem of a vote being so detached from the user.
And just to allow trackable +ve votes to be given. - Community site.
I'll give the new system a try but there is no way I am voting anyone's photos down and taking votes away from them, that just seems really vindictive and horrible, who on earth thought that idea up?
I think the most common idea mentioned so far is that people want to know WHY a negative comment was given.
How about this idea, stick with positive votes, because I have to admit, sometimes you just want to give it a virtual thumbs up because you like it but not for any real reason and a vote can do that and the photographer will think "they found my photo pleasing on the eye", fair enough, BUT a negative vote must come with a reason why otherwise it can look malicious.
If that stops people from leaving a negative, well, then it won't be any different to the 'old' system and if they do want to leave a comment then that shows they are interested in helping out the photographer.
Some judges use a voting down approach, where they allocate top marks of 20, and then take off votes based on areas that could be improved. So I can appreciate some of the thinking behind it.
My suggestions:
1. Leave the RC voting as it is. It is flawed, it does nor provide a true reflection of the level and quality of your photography, so is not a benchmark of quality. Equally it is not governed as anyone can vote be there an expert or a novice.
2. The "down vote" system is equally as flawed as the RC for the same reasons, as well as being more open to abuse
3. Leave the Editors Choice System as it. It works, albeit with a bias, but that is a norm for any single voting
4. Develop a robust panel voting system, in which panel members are competent and established photographers.
5. Mark photos on set criteria:
For example:
Technical Quality 1 to 5
Composition: 1 to 5
Innovation: 1 to 5
??? : 1 to 5
Top marks equal 20.
If this site wants to maintain and improve quality, it needs a quality system that is governed. Presently it does not have one.
Hopefully the above provides the best of both worlds, a RC system that some people like, but also a governed quality system.
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