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No UK troops would be deployed in a combat role.


thewilliam 6 5.1k
14 Jan 2013 10:51AM
France has the Foreign Legion that's capable of most things! Why do they need our help?

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collywobles 11 3.5k 9 United Kingdom
14 Jan 2013 11:36AM
Its the transport they needed help with. We offered the biggest aircraft to get as much in it needing lesss flights. Simply a help in logistics.
Sooty_1 4 1.4k 212 United Kingdom
14 Jan 2013 1:49PM
At the expense of our logistic capability.
cathal 10 492 4 Ireland
14 Jan 2013 2:04PM

Quote:Britain and France signed the treaty in 2010


Presumably, replacing the informal one that worked so well in 1914 and 1939.
collywobles 11 3.5k 9 United Kingdom
14 Jan 2013 3:20PM

Quote:At the expense of our logistic capability.


Thats a ridiculous statement, all it is is a single flight - how does that risk our capability other than for a few hours.
Sooty_1 4 1.4k 212 United Kingdom
14 Jan 2013 4:29PM
You obviously have no idea of out forces' logistic commitment. We have exactly zero C-17s sitting around doing nothing. Our capability is matched exactly to our commitment, so if one aircraft is diverted (and it isn't just for a few hours) and or goes U/S for any reason, or even (god help us) is damaged or brought down by ground fire, it has a massive knock-on effect.

That one aircraft might have been earmarked to bring out replacement parts, or replacement helicopters, which in turn leaves a patrol without air cover. Cpl John Smith is shot or blown up on patrol by an IED and now has no medevac, no trauma team, and dies. How do we explain the lack of support to the family?

You might think this an exaggeration. Those that have been there will know it isn't. The fact is, we get away with it time and time again and rely on the fact that we will continue to. If you have a relative in Afghanistan, you will know this.

Nick
Sooty_1 4 1.4k 212 United Kingdom
14 Jan 2013 4:55PM
Reading the reports, it's more than a single flight. Two airframes to "support the French logistic effort" sounds like longer term assistance to me. And one's gone tits up already.

Nick
Paul Morgan Plus
13 16.6k 6 England
14 Jan 2013 8:15PM

Quote:Thats a ridiculous statement, all it is is a single flight - how does that risk our capability other than for a few hours


Yes I agree, look on it as useful a training exercise.
keith selmes 11 7.1k 1 United Kingdom
14 Jan 2013 8:30PM
From various news sources, sounds as though UK provides two C-17 for one week, Canada provides one C-17, period not specified.
milly123 5 77 United Kingdom
14 Jan 2013 8:59PM
Perhaps we should help the French in the same way they helped and supported us in 1982....
Sooty_1 4 1.4k 212 United Kingdom
14 Jan 2013 9:02PM

Quote:Quote: Thats a ridiculous statement, all it is is a single flight - how does that risk our capability other than for a few hours

Yes I agree, look on it as useful a training exercise.



Training for what??? We're already involved in operations. The crews get little respite as it is. Training exercises are flying round Brize on their days out of theatre.

People not involved seem to think its all a lot of fun, swanning around the Middle East. The truth is, it's hot, boring, hard work and relentless. Add to that running the gauntlet of potential ground fire and SAMs, not your usual hazards on the way to the office.
Not having enough equipment is a constant, especially when the Americans have half a dozen aircraft sitting on each middle eastern airfield, spare.

We don't have enough kit, fact. Loaning some of the little we have to another "major force" in Europe is hard to swallow.

Nick
collywobles 11 3.5k 9 United Kingdom
15 Jan 2013 3:59PM

Quote:You might think this an exaggeration


Thats an understatement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sooty_1 4 1.4k 212 United Kingdom
15 Jan 2013 5:48PM
Only to people who have no knowledge of the subject.

2 aircraft is a around quarter of our fleet.
mikehit Plus
5 7.5k 11 United Kingdom
15 Jan 2013 6:57PM
When you are dealing with desert conditions (And Mali definitely is) they reckon something like a 1:4 redundancy to insure against breakdown (hot, dusty etc). This thing has broken downbefore it even leaves the country - soif we send a second one to fulfill out 'commitment' that is another of the 8 taken out from other operations, and bang goes the 'reserve' for Afghanistan/Iraq.
KevSB 11 1.5k 5 United Kingdom
15 Jan 2013 7:20PM
I dont think the military have reserve capacity any longer in equipment, every airframe will have a shedule, including maintenence. During the cold war days in mech regiments we had rotate vchs so each had its alotted milage for the year,stayed parked up the rest of the year.

But times have changed and we dont have stockpiled equipments ready for war, I would imagine the Raf use every asset they have and there shedule is worked out weeks if not months in advance and like sooty pointed out, Non priority will get shunted back. which in a warzone could mean life or death for someone

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