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User_Removed 10 825 Lithuania
6 Sep 2007 3:39PM
...a video clip of footage shot over in Iraq... a type of which you wont see on your scripted news channel... there are some very distressing images!... but the whole world should watch this!



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Coleslaw 9 13.4k 28 Wales
6 Sep 2007 3:40PM
...only if there is a link...

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Where...... ?

lol
User_Removed 10 825 Lithuania
6 Sep 2007 3:47PM
sorry!...here!

moderator note - link contains disturbing images, please do not view if easily offended by such
Kim Walton Plus
11 145 30 United Kingdom
6 Sep 2007 3:56PM
[link=null]http://nobravery.cf.huffingtonpost.com/[/link]
joolsb 10 27.1k 38 Switzerland
6 Sep 2007 4:42PM
Looks like anti-war propaganda to me. Would like to know a bit more about the context of some of those images....
Hanners Plus
9 875 10 Ireland
6 Sep 2007 5:35PM
Yep, it looks very "anti-western" to me
Graywolf 7 1.0k United Kingdom
6 Sep 2007 7:58PM

Quote:Looks like anti-war propaganda to me.


Well War to me is a bit like abortion.

I mean is there anybody out there going to put up their hand and say they think either is a 'good thing'. I would hope not. Both are a very poor last resort when absolutely necessary and nothing else will suffice.

It's no bad thing for those of us who have no experience of war to be reminded, just a little tiny bit about what it is really like.

I thought the moderator warning raised an interesting philosophical point. Not to look at awful things apparently done on our behalf. It is real people suffering out there, and I'm not just thinking of Iraqi's but the soldiers as well.

Remember what Churchill said,

'Jaw jaw is better than war war'.
Danny_Peters 8 159 England
6 Sep 2007 8:05PM
Almost entirely meaningless without context. About the only thing we can be sure about from those images is that was is bloody and unpleasant. I think we knew that anyway.
Danny_Peters 8 159 England
6 Sep 2007 8:07PM
Oh, and that they aren't high res enough to zoom into.
elowes 11 2.8k United Kingdom
6 Sep 2007 8:48PM
As there is absolutely no reference point you really have no idea about what really is happening. Agiprop for those who want to believe the worst.
SuziBlue 12 16.2k 10 Scotland
7 Sep 2007 1:25AM
Like many I've maintained a keen and close interest in events over the years. Anyone who truly believes that these are simply propaganda I would suggest has just not had the opportunity to see them the first time round and perhaps also didn't see live news reports which included such images as these.

I'm also interested to see that anyone who opposes the military action is perceived as a propagandist. I thought we might have learned from past mistakes even if our leaders haven't.
Paul Morgan 13 16.6k 6 England
7 Sep 2007 1:49AM

Quote:Yep, it looks very "anti-western" to me


The www full of this stuff, even youtube is loaded with it. Hardly anti western though, much of it posted by US serving troops as video diary`s.
SuziBlue 12 16.2k 10 Scotland
7 Sep 2007 2:22AM

Quote:Hardly anti western though, much of it posted by US serving troops as video diary`s.


Quite. I'm surprised that people haven't seen some of these stills when they end up on the news accompanying reports of servicemen and women being named and shamed ..
joolsb 10 27.1k 38 Switzerland
7 Sep 2007 7:19AM

Quote:I'm also interested to see that anyone who opposes the military action is perceived as a propagandist. I thought we might have learned from past mistakes even if our leaders haven't.


I was just making the point that pictures can often be used out of context and what looks like a soldier threatening a civilian might, in reality and from a different viewpoint, be something else entirely.

I actually thought this might be obvious to a bunch of photographers - the camera can lie. Not saying that that is the case here - only those present at the time the photograph was taken can answer that - just that we should approach images such as these with our critical faculties turned on.

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