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One of the saddest days of my life


tomcat e2
9 6.0k 15 United Kingdom
27 Aug 2013 9:18PM

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Coleslaw e2
9 13.4k 28 Wales
27 Aug 2013 9:26PM
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mikehit e2
5 6.8k 11 United Kingdom
27 Aug 2013 10:05PM
I have my reservations about the cull. But what infuriated me this morning is hearing that there will be no tests on the badgers to see how many are carrying TB and there will be no phenotype testing to look at the strains of TB which are prevalent vs those in cattle. Given the doubts in the scientific report about the potential effectiveness (or, rather, lack of) I wold have thought this would be the least we could expect.
This sounds more and more like a sop to the farmers rather than a genuine control measure.
Gaucho e2
12 2.3k 2 United Kingdom
27 Aug 2013 10:55PM
Sorry. Saddest day of my life was when my father/mother/best friend passed away. I love animals dearly but I do think I have things in perspective. From what I have read culling is the only feasible solution. It has worked in other countries and therefore it is probably the way to go. What is the difference between slaughtering badgers and slaughtering cattle? A horrible disease which hopefully will soon disappear.
Paul Morgan e2
13 15.7k 6 England
27 Aug 2013 11:05PM
I hand reared rescued badgers and never once came across any animal with TB, but if there is no other way I`m all for it.
monstersnowman 9 1.7k 1 England
27 Aug 2013 11:23PM
Just out of interest Paul, would it even be readily apparent to you, without testing, that one of the badgers you reared actually had TB not to mention having not developed it but merely was a carrier, therefore showing no symptoms and would being hand reared & young mean they are far less likely to have the disease than grown badgers travelling out at night and mixing with other badgers?
Paul Morgan e2
13 15.7k 6 England
27 Aug 2013 11:57PM

Quote:Just out of interest Paul, would it even be readily apparent to you


Yes, now go away Smile
monstersnowman 9 1.7k 1 England
28 Aug 2013 12:30AM
I'll take that as a no then ... Wink Grin
Paul Morgan e2
13 15.7k 6 England
28 Aug 2013 12:49AM
Not sure what your getting at munster, but us included can carry diseases, not show any signs but still pass them on.

If there is no other way, than a cull is for the best, don`t you agree.

At this present time I`m with Malcolm on this subject, I have far more pressing things to worry about.
monstersnowman 9 1.7k 1 England
28 Aug 2013 12:55AM
I hadnt actually disagreed with you. At present, with my very limited knowledge, i think a cull is worth a try seeing as five times as many cattle are destroyed each year at present ... I genuinely asked a question of you because i was seeking a sensible reply, rather than "yes, now go away" ...
Paul Morgan e2
13 15.7k 6 England
28 Aug 2013 1:25AM
I just think the numbers need bringing down to a manageable level first, then start looking at ways at controlling the disease, looking at vaccine`s and so on.

The farmer and his cattle has to come first.
mikehit e2
5 6.8k 11 United Kingdom
28 Aug 2013 8:07AM
One counter argument I heard is that the foot and mouth outbreak in 2001 led to the slaughter of a huge proportion of the 'national herd' and it was restocked from cattle based in the South West. Although this region had escaped the worst of the F&M outbreak, it is a hotspot for TB. The restocking was considered so important that cattle were distributed round the country with no testing and no traceability. Up to 2001, TB had been dropping but started rising again since then. It may be a coincidence but this combined with the scientific doubts about the effectiveness of a cull make the total lack of scientific rigour totally baffling. Methinks the NFU is scared of what it would show and they have pressured the government.
ade_mcfade e2
10 14.8k 216 England
28 Aug 2013 8:30AM
I was just going to mention Foot and Mouth...

I bet the farmers who lost everything may have been similarly sad
jondf 8 2.5k
28 Aug 2013 11:03AM

Quote:Methinks the NFU is scared of what it would show and they have pressured the government.


If one accepts farmers as being Tories to a man, there could be some truth in it...
mikehit e2
5 6.8k 11 United Kingdom
28 Aug 2013 11:08AM
Why do they have to be Tories...?

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