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    Bikeboy
    16 Sep 2008 - 8:58 AM
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    I've been in and out of photography over the past 30 years but more active since the digital revolution. Over the past 3 years I have developed a real pasion for landscape and travel photography. Although I'm completely self taught - like many of us I guess - are there any courses which would enable me to further develop?

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    Coleslaw
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    16 Sep 2008 - 8:59 AM
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    You can always attend a workshop like Keith's Northscape South

    DaveU
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    16 Sep 2008 - 9:14 AM
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    You could do worse than just learning by association on EPZ. Join in the forums and ask questions, look at the work of the many excellent landscape photographers we have, see what you like about their work, try and emulate it, go on mini-meets, develop your own style. You will improve just by EPZ osmosis.

    Not that I'm trying to take revenue away from Keith of course Wink

    elowes
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    16 Sep 2008 - 9:32 AM
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    Quote: You could do worse than just learning by association on EPZ.

    And you could do betterSmile

    There are umpteen courses available. Try the ads in photo mags and then ask for endorsements on EPZ or other forums before booking.

    The courses are expensive and you can learn from EPZ, books etc but I think the best thing is to get out and do it. A lot of landscape is having an eye, having the patience and being in the right pace at the right time.

    Me, I try hard and I fail almost every time. My wife wanders off with her camera and gets some great shots without seeming to take any effort!

    Last Modified By elowes at 16 Sep 2008 - 9:32 AM
    ade_mcfade
    ade_mcfade (Critique Team)
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    16 Sep 2008 - 10:06 AM
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    Learn the techy stuff from books and experimentation, then with that grounding, a course or even a meet, could be the kickstart you need.

    thing is, if you're on a course and having to constantly think about exposure settings, you'll probably miss a lot of what the instructor is trying to convey.

    then again, having exposure explained well is a lot easier than reading about it I guess

    where you based?

    Patricia Fenn
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    16 Sep 2008 - 2:01 PM
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    All excellent advice above.
    Go to meets, do a course with Keith ( would if I lived over there) I've seen lots improve from his techniques.
    Read everything.
    Post images, join e2 and ask for crit and mods.
    Get to know some people on the site, so many will help you get on.
    Check which epzers live in your area and contact them.
    Consider an Open University course on photography.
    Come on our photography cruise 2nd Nov (meets)...ok I"m flying my own flag now, LOL!

    Seriously though, just take pictures, the digital fog will evaporate very quickly. Post lots of pictures on ePz and take what you want from the comments... you can always remove shots you feel have let you down or that you can really improve on at a later date.

    Most important just enjoy!
    Good luck,
    P.

    ade_mcfade
    ade_mcfade (Critique Team)
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    16 Sep 2008 - 2:10 PM
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    Patricia is spot on there - you don't "need" tuition as much as you used to, as EPZ is a very complete resource if you get involved.

    That means putting some effort in of course, but you if you do, you will get free advice from some very experienced people both in the gallery and on the forums.

    If you do a search for "realestate" and his threads, in amongst all the incredulity and persecution, there's some amazingly detailed techniques to be found.

    keithh
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    16 Sep 2008 - 2:32 PM
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    I'm one who firmly believes (yes, I know, I would.....get that in before someone else does) that everyone benefits from some real time tuition of some kind.

    I've seen plenty of self-taught photographers, who had slipped into terrible practices, many of which had been garnered from the web and friends.

    The biggest problem in this 'Learn-Quick' age of digital, is the quality of the tuition. These days it is often offered by people with scant enough knowledge themselves.

    Overread
    16 Sep 2008 - 2:39 PM
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    I agree with the others - one can learn a lot from the internet and forums - its all that has taught me, but the problem is that they never see you taking a shot and can never point out the errors before you press the shutter button - its all post production aid. Which is very good, but can lead you to make the same mistake over and over if people do not pick up on that detail.
    One on one or a smalll group tuition/workshop is ideal for on the stop advice also I think it gives a lot more to be told in person where you are doing well and where you do need to improve than on forums

    It's all down to preferred learning styles. At the end of the day 72% of the population learn best by being shown how to do things.

    Oh and remember that being a great photographer doesn't necessarily make you a great teacher ...

    Patricia Fenn
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    16 Sep 2008 - 3:17 PM
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    Keith is absolutely right!
    For example a 'professional' photographer came to stay with me for a week in my early days and told me I should shoot everything on 400 ISO. I had such faith, and was so eager to learn...I did! Consequently I have literally thousands of images that are below par.

    Listen to everything, have faith in yourself, experiment, and trust your own judgment. And when you really melt, viewing an image that you think others will consider as 'not exactly good' have faith in your image!

    keithh
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    16 Sep 2008 - 3:18 PM
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    Can't have the second withthout the first though, Dan.

    I'm in despair sometimes when I see the people who offer tuition.

    Last Modified By keithh at 16 Sep 2008 - 3:19 PM

    It's an interesting point .. do you have to be a good phtoographer to be a good teacher of photography? Or do you simply have to have the knowledge .... I agree that without knowledge you are in trouble though .....

    JamesBurns
    16 Sep 2008 - 3:25 PM
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    Quote: It's an interesting point .. do you have to be a good phtoographer to be a good teacher of photography? Or do you simply have to have the knowledge .... I agree that without knowledge you are in trouble though .....

    Hmmm... I would argue that to be a good teacher you have to inspire. I suppose my thoughts are that if you are to inspire someone, then you're going to have to have the eye candy to inspire them with...

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