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keith selmes
11 7.1k 1 United Kingdom
26 Oct 2013 8:15AM

Quote: moving on. Pastures fresher and more open await.
If those pastures have photographers, they'll say the same as people here.
Personaly, I like to see details, they satisfy curiosity, but exif data does no more than that.
It's also potentially misleading. My exif often says I used a 400mm lens, when I don't have one. I do have a x2 TC though.
And very often it doesn't say what lens or aperture I used, because it wasn't an electronic lens.
Often, beginners think exif data will help them, but it won't.
It's a bit disturbing when you find experienced and even pro photgraphers apparently not understanding this.

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indemnity e2
6 331
26 Oct 2013 10:56AM
It doesn't bother me giving the exif, or how the lighting has been done. That's only the start, the flash duration and lighting ratio used and how the image was processed makes all the difference. I've selectively altered the exposure in images by 2 stops, put gradients of 1-2 stops, not to mention mapping, curves, levels etc. even how a monochrome conversion was done can not be assessed from resulting image.

Somebody using a bridge/crop camera applying the settings used on a full frame or MF camera is not for example going to get the same depth of field.

On the other hand when somebody has a problem or an issue with an image, exif can be helpful in determining where or how it went wrong.

However more of an issue on here when there's no exif information, it's for very good reason... usually there are no images in the portfolio, yet they also have a remarkable ability to comment in the forums giving advice on 'how to do it'. Wink

Todays 2p spent.
conrad e2
10 10.9k 116
26 Oct 2013 11:47AM
So...

For displaying exif:

- Our supposed "duty" as part of a community (highly contested)
- When somebody has a problem or an issue with an image, exif can be helpful in determining where or how it went wrong (hmmm ... critique gallery?)
- Others can learn from it (also highly contested)
(Did I forget any arguments for displaying exif?)

Against:

- Not always possible if you're saving for Web, depending on the software you use
- Not possible (or even misleading) if the image you post is a combination of several shots
- The right of the photographer to decide not to post the data, whatever his or her reasons might be (who are we to judge?)
- Showing the exif data is useless anyway, since using them to try and re-create the image is unlikely to lead to the same result
(Did I leave any out?)
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bricurtis e2
9 1.9k 48 England
26 Oct 2013 12:32PM

Quote:Actually we can, and i for one am moving on. Pastures fresher and more open await.

EXIT EXIF.Smile
conrad e2
10 10.9k 116
26 Oct 2013 1:06PM
Amazing how trivial a reason for leaving can be...
dougv e2
10 8.4k 3 England
26 Oct 2013 1:15PM

Quote:Against:

- Not always possible if you're saving for Web, depending on the software you use
- Not possible (or even misleading) if the image you post is a combination of several shots
- The right of the photographer to decide not to post the data, whatever his or her reasons might be (who are we to judge?)
- Showing the exif data is useless anyway, since using them to try and re-create the image is unlikely to lead to the same result
(Did I leave any out?)


YES.

- In this surveillance obsessed world some Government Agency or other could be collecting this data to use against us at a later date...

Wink
conrad e2
10 10.9k 116
26 Oct 2013 1:53PM

Quote: In this surveillance obsessed world some Government Agency or other could be collecting this data to use against us at a later date...


Not just government agencies, how about digital stalkers / ex-partners, ... etc.
ade_mcfade e2
10 15.1k 216 England
26 Oct 2013 3:49PM

Quote:Often, beginners think exif data will help them, but it won't.


...saved me saying it Wink

they don't know it's "pretty useless" till they get a little more experienced ?

at the start you're clutching onto any shred of information, not knowing whether its useful of not Wink



me - well if I export from Lightroom it usually has EXIF in, if I save for web in Photoshop, it usually strips is out... and that's it really.

recently, a few people have commented congratulating me on including the EXIF, which was unexpected

Smile
keith selmes
11 7.1k 1 United Kingdom
26 Oct 2013 5:46PM

Quote:they don't know it's "pretty useless" till they get a little more experienced ?
If they're lucky, someone more experienced will tell them, and if they're clever, they'll believe it Smile Can save a lot of time and confusion and frustration.

I started with reading magazine photo captions, just before digital cameras and exif became popular. The same thing applies.
And the people who confirmed the futility were Ctein and Roger Hicks, on the Compuserve Forum, several years BE (Before Ephotozine).

I suppose we do look for a simple answer, like "this is the best lens to use", or "use these settings for this subject", and eventually find it's not really that simple.
ade_mcfade e2
10 15.1k 216 England
26 Oct 2013 11:05PM
Indeed. This is why we run workshops Wink
MalcolmS e2
9 1.1k 13 England
27 Oct 2013 11:31AM
Useless or not, it's interesting to some. The photography publications would seem to agree as they invariably publish some of the information.
conrad e2
10 10.9k 116
28 Oct 2013 9:36AM

Quote:it's interesting to some


That may be the case, but it's not enough reason to require every user to include the data on every upload to the gallery.
StrayCat e2
10 15.5k 2 Canada
28 Oct 2013 7:23PM
It's just something else to be dissected.

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