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Camairish
Camairish  81276 forum posts Scotland
21 Jan 2012 - 7:23 PM

The population of the camera toting public severely outweighs the population with cameras trying to earn an income from them. This divide will only increase as camera phones get even better and replace the compact camera.

Those who rely on photography for a living I'd imagine have to diversify and specialise on a continual basis - survival of the fittest!!

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22 Jan 2012 - 4:42 PM


Quote: The population of the camera toting public severely outweighs the population with cameras trying to earn an income from them. This divide will only increase as camera phones get even better and replace the compact camera.

Those who rely on photography for a living I'd imagine have to diversify and specialise on a continual basis - survival of the fittest!!

I suspect that it is the "specialise" factor that will become more important. Plus, of course, sheer quality. The best amateur photographs will, for obvious reasons, always tend to be better than the average professional photograph but, in terms of quality, many professional photographs will be considerably better than the huge mass of "snappers'" images. I guess the problem comes when the prospective purchasers lower their quality requirements.

Graflex
Graflex  11488 forum posts United Kingdom
23 Jan 2012 - 8:58 AM

Local newspapers have always been poor payers,but they have over the years struck lucky by not paying at all.
Actually 60-years ago I had a choice,either have my name under the picture or be payed 10/- in old money..10/-was a lot of money then.

The only people making money in publishing are those guys doing the celeb pictures-you know the type,Suzy Sploggs falling out of a night club at 3am in morning.Or 'actresses'who have never done a days work,EVER.

Editors are not really interest where this material comes from,providing it's reasonably sharp and you can get it back on the editors desk-pronto.Do that,and you are the flavour of the month.And a large cheque.

You might find these pics are not exclusive because you will have another half a dozen 'snapper zombies' standing around doing the same picture.

But then,it's always been like this,nothing is new.

Last Modified By Graflex at 23 Jan 2012 - 9:01 AM
pabloisme
pabloisme  4565 forum posts England
23 Jan 2012 - 2:41 PM


Quote: You automatically grant Archant the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, edit, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such material (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed for the full term of any rights that may exist in such content.

what wally would sign that!

NO pay NO GET is my motto no BIG society here!

mikehit
mikehit  56346 forum posts United Kingdom9 Constructive Critique Points
23 Jan 2012 - 3:26 PM

You selfish capitalist, pablo. You really are little devil aren't you...Wink

pabloisme
pabloisme  4565 forum posts England
23 Jan 2012 - 4:57 PM

yeah NOW, if I get a request, usually music & band based and some street, I always get it (an order) in writing & signed, and have done it for years, as the last time a thieving editor felt unable / unwilling to pay up, after he not only front paged it on the local rag, he then syndicated the images to the telegraph and mail in London which were reproduced, and kept it quiet,

his excuse he "didn't think I wanted paying!" I explained in full view of his staff and he got his comeuppance.

NOTE: mmm he got both comuppances!.... and I got paid.

MORAL: NEVER TRUST AN EDITOR,,,,, mmmm ask murdoch he trusted his! he he he.................... LOL

I think IF you look really carefully at submission T&C / rules. you reduce problems,

even competitions as I did the last time I looked & dismissed it, even the people owned beeb owns all the entries used, submitted by you on their countryfile competition thing, as you submitt & accept, their T&C's you sign a "col parker" ie assign all your rights to them.

Last Modified By pabloisme at 23 Jan 2012 - 5:00 PM
ianrobinson
ianrobinson e2 Member 41107 forum postsianrobinson vcard United Kingdom8 Constructive Critique Points
23 Jan 2012 - 4:58 PM

what wally would sign that!

NO pay NO GET is my motto no BIG society here!

Well said but clearly there are plenty as you can see Grin.
Amazing how anyone could sign over a potential big money scoop just to have there image in the site.

mikehit
mikehit  56346 forum posts United Kingdom9 Constructive Critique Points
23 Jan 2012 - 5:00 PM


Quote: NOTE: mmm he got both comuppances!

That sounds interesting - what was the end result?

pabloisme
pabloisme  4565 forum posts England
23 Jan 2012 - 5:02 PM

If you have a scoop get an agent! ASAP!

NOTE he will take a cut BUT he will usually sell it well!

pabloisme
pabloisme  4565 forum posts England
23 Jan 2012 - 5:06 PM


Quote: That sounds interesting - what was the end result?

I got barred he he

still no pain no gain eh!

mikehit
mikehit  56346 forum posts United Kingdom9 Constructive Critique Points
23 Jan 2012 - 9:49 PM

Nice one pablo.

macroman
macroman  1115312 forum posts England
24 Jan 2012 - 12:07 PM


Quote: ....I think it is an excellent idea and if it were a paper local to me and I was credited with my pictures I would gladly submit some photos:


Our local newspaper has a 'readers pics' section and shows one or two pictures, mainly of local interest, submitted by local amateurs each week.

Last year I had 12 images published, so someone must like 'em. Smile

Whether it's a good thing or not, I don't know, but I doubt if the images are saleable anyway, as I've never had any requests for copies, Sad could be because I don't submit my best pics, only general ones of local interest.

Last Modified By macroman at 24 Jan 2012 - 12:13 PM
pabloisme
pabloisme  4565 forum posts England
24 Jan 2012 - 12:17 PM


Quote: Whether it's a good thing or not, I don't know, but I doubt if the images are saleable anyway, as I've never had any requests for copies.

as a salesman please tell me either the benefits or features of GIVING stuff away!

mmmmm I cant think of one, that is apart from seeing oneself in print with out paying!

I hate to say it (REALLY!) so join a local club then!

adrian_w
adrian_w e2 Member 73313 forum postsadrian_w vcard Scotland4 Constructive Critique Points
24 Jan 2012 - 12:38 PM


Quote: as a salesman please tell me either the benefits or features of GIVING stuff away

So you've never given out free samples to potential customers with the prospect that they could lead to increased sales?

Overread
Overread  63746 forum posts England18 Constructive Critique Points
24 Jan 2012 - 12:44 PM


Quote: as a salesman please tell me either the benefits or features of GIVING stuff away

So you've never given out free samples to potential customers with the prospect that they could lead to increased sales?

This works until the number of free samples given out to your target market is sufficient to support that markets demand. For a company you'd expect them never to make that mistake as to give out so much as to destroy their own market.
However, from what I can tell within the photography market there are few if any protections against this. The result is that a large part of the former paid market is now capable of being supported by the "free samples" group, as well as people who have no intent of selling a product and who will give endless "free samples".
This is of course not the case for all areas of photography, but its certainly a major number of former areas being given over to harvesting this willing free stock.

Last Modified By Overread at 24 Jan 2012 - 12:45 PM

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