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Looking for places to try and sell wildlife photos too ... any suggestions to search for?
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Writers and Artists Year Book might be your best bet. You will need clear and detailed captions and your pictures will need to be of rare or unusual creatures or pictures different in some way from the thousands that are contributed each year.
So many people give such pictures away these days for the thrill of seeing their name in print, so the market as such doesn't really exist except for those who have something unique to offer.
I think wildlife photography is a particularly tough area to break into if you want to make sales as an amateur, since it requires lots of time, dedication and, realistically, expense, if you want to compete with the abundance of competent professionals. These things are hard to come by if you're also working a 9 to 5 job, or living any kind of routine existence - a little easier if you've made a mint and have time on your hands. Other subjects are more accessible - easier to hone your skills on.
If wildlife is such a hard one to get into - where is all the money being spent ... I know weddings are big - not my thing ... but what else is out there ...
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It's not. Prices for pictures are way, way down. In 1980, one centre spread in the Mail was enough for me to pay my mortgage and live for a month. Today, they are paying less money than they did then. Weddings are not big, wedding photographers are struggling to make ends meet for the most part.
The digital camera has destroyed the picture market except for the very best who bring something special to the table. I presume you've contacted some professional wildlife photographers - surely they have told you how tough the market is?
I have spoken to many different people in the industry - and they all say not to get into it ... it is sounding like there is not a lot of jobs out there in the world that seems to pay enough to stay above water. Even IT doesn't seem to pay as much as it once did ... unless it is a government job of some sort.
Photography is loads of fun and I love being creative with it - it is too bad technology is wrecking the industry.
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It is a shame - on the other hand there are people out there making a living doing it and there is nothing to say you couldn't or wouldn't.
I'd also say that although technology ruins it in some ways, in the way that the Chinese word for crisis and opportunity are the same, it also turns up new possibilities.
I started a YouTube channel and I've found that I can earn money from it by sharing my professional experience with others. Plus I've written a couple of e-books and put stuff on Alamy. All this is bringing in dosh in the most enjoyable way. These are all possibilities opened up by technology.
Maybe you could use your experience of wild life photography in some left centre way? It may not be exactly what you want at first but things do grow if you are are good and you work at them. I'm almost certainly older than you (I'm older than everybody) so you have the time to develop something that I don't.
I guess i am needing to find something that works for me ... it is hard to figure out what works and what doesnt these days - what worked 6 months ago to get a sale doesn't seem to work right now ...
I love being outdoors taking photos of what I find and what jumps out at me - I would love to have a couple acres to setup some blinds and see what comes around - there is lots of prime land here in Ontario - just need the funds to get it.
I wish you good luck
I found selling prints was a LOT of work for LITTLE money
Sure you'd get the odd job where you made a bit, but you'd have a lot of ground work to do - often having to fit the things to get the deal...
Prefer to be having a laugh shooting with business owners
Think it's down to what you enjoy though - I like the whole challenge of "making people look semi human", others would rather eat sick than do it
I guess selling online the stock websites out there is one way to sell some of the photos that are taken - for little return yes ... but if you were to get a little return from that and a few other sources it wouldn't be to bad to start out till you get your self known in the industry and find your way in ... there are so many stock websites out there now and I know each of the site have millions of images on them - but I have sold a couple images in the past year online dreamtimes.com. It is better then nothing. 5$ more then I had yesterday ...
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I'd question that. Your approach seems passive, in common with thousands of contributors to online libraries like Dreamstime. Their business model is the reverse of effort equals reward - they give you a few crumbs for almost no effort on your part. But that's not an approach that is ever likely to fulfill ambitions of being regularly published or remotely well known - an obscene amount of work and ruthlessly objective view of your own pictures is a more likely recipe. That, and choosing the right library (or selling your own photos - a process that requires thick skin).
I've sold more stuff on Redbubble than anywhere else
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There are people who make money from the stock agencies. They do it by...lots of work entailing lots of thought to make story telling pictures, taking large numbers of pictures on lots of themes and ruthlessly slinging out anything sub-standard. In other words, if you are going to succeed in stock, see the quote above!
There are two models for a photographer's work, one for commissioned work and the other for spec. If you have ideas and drive, the spec work is far more rewarding in the long term. My accountant pointed out to me that I spent 60% of my time doing commissions yet it earned me only 30% of my income.
The spec work required research and effort but I think the days are gone when a man with a camera can earn much. A person with specialist knowledge of (say) the Pyrenean wildlife and habitat can easily learn to use a modern camera. A man with a camera will take a lot longer to learn about Pyrenean wildlife.
The camera nowadays is an adjunct to knowledge. In the past those with knowledge would employ a man with a camera to take their pictures. Now, they do it themselves. I don't know anything about corporate work or weddings, only the media. In my field you can make money by being a journalist with a camera, finding and researching stories. The days of the standalone have mostly gone.
Even the paps need networks of contacts and informants and fast acting agencies and sales people, you can't just walk in and do it. But even when I started out, the idea that you could just take pictures you liked and sell them to make a living was a pipe-dream. Take a look at any successful photographer you dream of emulating - the reality behind his or her pictures is, like the iceberg, 1/8th apparent and 7/8ths hidden under the surface.
Well to continue Lemmy's theme...
With the corporate work I've been doing, you're just trying to give businesses the "visual" edge over their competitors - often working along side web companies to produce images which make them just "look" better than the rest. So it's not really about creating art - but it is about being creative, if that makes sense. Do some dramatic 3-point lighting on a business owner, giving him a dramatic background, they're drooling like a blood hound
But its also about creating the right environment for people to relax into a shoot - even if you've just got 5 minutes, you can say and do a lot to get a decent shot. Women are harder - always worrying about wrinkles and chins
It's about niches.
If you can create a few photos people actually love, rather than tolerate, they put them on Linked IN, their website, tell all their contacts... But there's more to it than pointing your 1Dx with 70-200 F2.8 L IS and 580EX2 in their face
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