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cambirder
cambirder  107202 forum posts England
26 Jul 2005 - 5:06 PM

I did not define wild animals in that way, I was responding to a statement that animals in a zoo are still wild.

I would define a wild animal simply as one that is not kept in captivity or prevented from freedom of mobility by other methods (such as wing clipping of wildfowl).

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u08mcb
u08mcb  105817 forum posts
26 Jul 2005 - 5:13 PM

Would a pet be considered as such then?

cambirder
cambirder  107202 forum posts England
26 Jul 2005 - 5:20 PM

No, pets are domesticated animals, which places then firmly as non-wildlife.

u08mcb
u08mcb  105817 forum posts
26 Jul 2005 - 5:42 PM

Under the above definition they'd be wildlife. Its a sticky subject.

nikon5700ite
26 Jul 2005 - 8:32 PM

I was fortunate recently to spend some time in a mountain valley dotted with quite reasonably spaced housing. It backs onto forest area with I was told some 300 mating bear couples and both deer and elk also come into the valley, they particularly like our neighbour who is a bit of a green finder and grows nice grass as a lawn.

One hot day I spotted this deer sitting in the shade on the neighbours lawn, house and car in background.

Is this wild or captive?

The situation I'm used to is that the animal should be in it's normal surroundings to qualify in a nature competition. A zoo bred animal is in it's natural, if un-natural, state in the zoo.

It is a challenge to get rid or work through wire mesh/bars just as the problem of setting up a hide in the wild ... unless as one young lady did in the above area come around a corner of the track to find a quite large bear up front. There was an even larger bear nearby ... the classical situation that every hiker dreads ..... Mummy bear and the kid[s].

A good photo is a good photo and where is it taken should be stated.

philwig
philwig  9817 forum posts1 Constructive Critique Points
27 Jul 2005 - 12:08 AM


Quote: Under the above definition they'd be wildlife. Its a sticky subject.

No it isn't: you're confusing yourself with your own semantics.

You can't expect to impose sharp edged categories on the real world, unless you're religious, in which case you don't need to debate anything anyhow.

If you really can't tell if what you're shooting is wild or not, just post it along with some context and people here will help you decide.

klewis
klewis  101870 forum posts United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
27 Jul 2005 - 12:14 AM

Isn't the definition simply:

Is the animal owned by a person/company?

Yes captive
No wild

digicammad
digicammad  1121988 forum posts United Kingdom37 Constructive Critique Points
27 Jul 2005 - 1:03 AM

I shot the dog yesterday

Was he mad?

He wasn't very pleased

IanA
IanA  103048 forum posts England12 Constructive Critique Points
27 Jul 2005 - 2:01 AM

I don't see a difficulty, seeing as the categories are Pets/Captive animals and Wildlife.

It really doesn't take a lot of common sense to seperate the two!

Wink)

KatieR
KatieR  106197 forum posts6 Constructive Critique Points
27 Jul 2005 - 2:06 AM

You say that, Ian, but there isn't much common sense around.

covey
covey  91672 forum posts Ireland
27 Jul 2005 - 2:12 AM

We have a Cardinal in Ireland who did his doctrinal (is that the name?) thesis on how many angels you could fit on the head of a pin.

Now I know where he got most of his information from. You lot Smile

T.

User_Removed
27 Jul 2005 - 2:43 AM

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=90590&dict=CALD

mattw
mattw  105189 forum posts United Kingdom10 Constructive Critique Points
27 Jul 2005 - 4:19 AM

I'm sorry, but I must dissagree. To me 'Pets/Captive' anamals should be for the domesticated anamils (cats, dogs etc), and 'Wildlife' should be for the undomisticated stuff.

The purpose is to take photograph of an anmial, rather than to show off that you can afford to go out to Africa etc is it not? If you can show the animal in it's enviroment then so much the better, but to draw a distiction between two photos of a common subject in such a way does not make any sense to me.

What is the difference between photographing a captive bird of prey at Eagle Heights or whatever, and one taken at the feeding station at the Welsh farm?

Mattw

Yazza17
Yazza17  9
27 Jul 2005 - 4:26 AM

I agree also, but i suppose if you went to the sahari and took pictures of tigers and that there, then i suppose they could go under wildlife, but otherwise yeah put them in Pets/Captive.

digicammad
digicammad  1121988 forum posts United Kingdom37 Constructive Critique Points
27 Jul 2005 - 4:27 AM

and as somebody has already pointed out, there are wild birds and animals which are so used to human presence that they actively seek them out, thus making it easy to photograph them.

Ian

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