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pro- or semi pro


keithh e2
11 23.4k 33 Wallis And Futuna
25 Sep 2012 12:07PM
Surely Semi-Pro means someone who dabbles and doesn't want to say so on their website?
Wink

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keith selmes 11 7.1k 1 United Kingdom
25 Sep 2012 12:08PM

Quote:Course there is. The expression wouldn't exist otherwise.
Try explaining that to an atheist Wink
ade_mcfade e2
10 15.1k 216 England
25 Sep 2012 12:12PM
Semi Pro - male porn star with brewer's droop?
Sooty_1 4 1.3k 203 United Kingdom
25 Sep 2012 2:26PM
I wouldn't take Wikipedia as gospel......
Sooty_1 4 1.3k 203 United Kingdom
25 Sep 2012 2:26PM
TongueTongueTongueTongue
Caisiel 2 17 Wales
25 Sep 2012 3:03PM
What a great discussion...

I was- a long time ago- a semi pro rugby player, and for tax and financial reasons - classed as that. I needed other income to live day to day, yet had a bit more time to train, better facilities and perhaps a more serious outcome to my work than an amateur. Quite often an amateur would hold their own or even better me in games, but week in week out, I had to produce the goods, along with other semi pro and fully pro players . I still kept may main job going on a reduced time basis

Personally I would say a professional is a person who can rely solely on their 'profession' as a means of income to survive, at whatever level that may be. I think the criteria identified by RogBrown should class a full professional, but surely there are photographers/artists out there who can tick yes to all these boxes, yet regard photography as a secondary income.

I believe a person can be half or "semi" of what a professional is, not in terms of quality of work, understanding within their field or client expectation. But in terms of the amount of time they spend in their field, amount of advertising etc. or income??

Surely - "he/she/they were very professional" is just a compliment in terms of the quality of work and the way in which it was conducted...i.e. An accomplished and experienced photographer.
User_Removed 5 4.6k 1 Scotland
25 Sep 2012 3:57PM

Quote:Too many people class themselves as semi-pro's because they sell a few images, but they're not. There are so many people calling themselves either semi-pro or pro and they are neither. Just enjoy your photography and if you sell a few of your images, great.


I'll second that.
CaptivePhotons 11 1.6k 2 England
25 Sep 2012 4:50PM
How come there are no semi-amateurs?
brian1208 e2
11 10.6k 12 United Kingdom
25 Sep 2012 4:54PM
'cos they don't get paid for it? Wink
STEVELIN 6 160 3 Ireland
25 Sep 2012 5:00PM
im just baking a few cakes does that make me a baker a cook or chef or just some one who can?
Focus_Man 4 481 631 United Kingdom
25 Sep 2012 5:20PM
Whatever you are, have been or intend to be - IMHO it doesn't mean a thing in a club or in EPZ. You should be able to get a good idea by the quality of work uploaded here.

But of course there are many types of professionals and many types of work done. For a 'bread and butter work' pro to upload artistic stuff, you might consider him to be a beginner.

Also for an old film pro, you may find his/her Photoshopping substandard, so in effect it shouldn't matter in EPZ, we are all photographers, of all ages and will no doubt be judged by our work, whatever it is.
User_Removed 10 3.3k 4 United Kingdom
25 Sep 2012 5:21PM
It's easy, try to follow along Wink If you bake full time for a living then it is your profession and you are a professional. Do it part time and you are a semi-professional. Do it for the love of it then you're an amateur even if you spend every waking our doing it.

The key is the word PROFESSION.
STEVELIN 6 160 3 Ireland
25 Sep 2012 5:36PM
PROFESSION!
that could be the start of a new topic we all do photography may it be hobby or semi but what do we do relay? ill leave out pro cause thats what they do.
i am a painter and decorator with 35 years experience guess that makes me a pro.
what eles do we all do on epz?
Caisiel 2 17 Wales
25 Sep 2012 7:52PM
Keeping the built environment theme, I'm a quantity surveyor in civil engineering and groundworks.
Jestertheclown 6 6.6k 242 England
25 Sep 2012 9:06PM
Teller of tall stories.

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