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    KingBee
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    29 Aug 2010 - 9:50 PM
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    I normally shoot RAW, but today, for convenience, I shot JPEGs of a still life just to keep the file sizes small. I have access to CS4 which gives me the option of opening files (including JPEGs) in Camera Raw (CR) (via PS Bridge). Since I usually only shoot RAW, I've never really given much thought previously to working with non-RAW files in CR.

    However, since I knew that I can modify JPEG images in CR in exactly the same way as I am able to modify RAW images before opening the file for final processing, today, by way of experiment, I opened said JPEGs in CR and doctored them (eg as regards exposure, saturation, etc) before finally opening the images as aforementioned. When I opened the files in CS4, they basically needed cropped and sharpened, and that was it.

    Now, I know that every time I make modifications to a JPEG image in a non-CR environment, I am employing a 'destructive' process. But here's the question: are modifications made to JPEGs in CR 'destructive' also? How does CR work in such situations? If the CR process vis-a-vis JPEG and other non-RAW files is non-destructive, this begs the question: do we need to shoot in RAW at all? OK, playing Devil's Advocate here, but what's the view, please? Thanks. Bob

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    29 Aug 2010 - 10:04 PM
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    Quote: I normally shoot RAW, but today, for convenience, I shot JPEGs of a still life just to keep the file sizes small. I have access to CS4 which gives me the option of opening files (including JPEGs) in Camera Raw (CR) (via PS Bridge). Since I usually only shoot RAW, I've never really given much thought previously to working with non-RAW files in CR.

    However, since I knew that I can modify JPEG images in CR in exactly the same way as I am able to modify RAW images before opening the file for final processing, today, by way of experiment, I opened said JPEGs in CR and doctored them (eg as regards exposure, saturation, etc) before finally opening the images as aforementioned. When I opened the files in CS4, they basically needed cropped and sharpened, and that was it.

    Now, I know that every time I make modifications to a JPEG image in a non-CR environment, I am employing a 'destructive' process. But here's the question: are modifications made to JPEGs in CR 'destructive' also? How does CR work in such situations? If the CR process vis-a-vis JPEG and other non-RAW files is non-destructive, this begs the question: do we need to shoot in RAW at all? OK, playing Devil's Advocate here, but what's the view, please? Thanks. Bob

    considering the amount of information a RAW file has compared to a JPEG, then for important shots, shooting Jpeg is never in my mind. Smile (unless it is for convinience for showing clients on the shoot, or press work)

    I personaly dont care if CR is destructive for a jpeg as i dont get why you would use it. RAW is there to give you the control over a picture that you just dont get with JPEGs.

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    StrayCat
    29 Aug 2010 - 10:11 PM
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    Jpeg is inherently lossy. If you take an image in JPEG format, in order to process the image in CS4, or any Adobe program, and make it lossless, you must convert it, or a copy, to TIFF or PSD, which are both lossless formats. Only save in JPEG after all editing of the file has been completed.

    lobsterboy
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    29 Aug 2010 - 10:23 PM
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    Quote: But here's the question: are modifications made to JPEGs in CR 'destructive' also? How does CR work in such situations?

    I seem to remember reading somewhere that it doesn't actually do anything to the file till you hit the done button. Then its a single write, one write won't do much damage to a jpg.

    Quote: this begs the question: do we need to shoot in RAW at all?

    I can't see any major advantage to using jpg if you are processing it the same way as you do raw.
    Why use good lenses & cameras then throw away a load of the information they capture.

    strawman
    29 Aug 2010 - 11:03 PM
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    The major advantages of shooting RAW are;
    1 Greater information per pixel (depends on the camera but often 10 or 12 bit not 8 bit for JPEG) so greater ability to pull details from shadows or highlights.
    2 Sharpening not performed so better re-size potential
    3 The white balance is not set so no loss of data on adjusting it.

    cameracat
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    29 Aug 2010 - 11:08 PM
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    First point to make is that you can work on a jpeg in Adobe Camera RAW.

    However you do not get all the benefits that come with working with a RAW file in Adobe Camera RAW.

    Whilst you are actually making adjustments to a jpeg inside Adobe Camera RAW it is non-destructive, But only at that point.

    Here is video that might explain more than I care to type.....Wink

    There are similar videos available on " Adobe TV " if your still not convinced.....!!!

    Personally I'll stick to shooting RAW, Its far less of a fag.....Wink

    KingBee
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    30 Aug 2010 - 7:20 AM
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    Thanks everyone - responses not unexpected! Just curious, I was, about the JPEG/Camera Raw angle: now I know.

    When I open a RAW file in Bridge the default is CS4, and the RAW adjustment options are available as per normal. On the rare occasion I shoot JPEG (which I know is 'lossy') I tend to convert to PSD or TIFF for processing purposes. But I'm not terribly familiar with the "open in Camera Raw" feature and just wondered why anyone would use it. As I said, it was an experiment. End of.

    Appreciate the time you all took to view and comment.

    Cheers. Bob

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