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ronss  81243 forum posts Canada
30 May 2008 - 4:53 AM

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You May be a Fundamentalist If...

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" -- including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a couple of generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects -- will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% failure was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history -- but still call yourself a Christian.

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Graywolf
Graywolf  7964 forum posts United Kingdom
30 May 2008 - 8:56 AM

Listen Very Carefully...


1 There is no god

2 Hurt no one

3 **** happens

4 Deal with it.

5 Enjoy the rest

Last Modified By Graywolf at 30 May 2008 - 8:57 AM
dwilkin
dwilkin  724249 forum posts United Kingdom
30 May 2008 - 9:50 AM


Quote: There is no god

Many people would disagree, but there's always Pascals Wager;

'Pascal's wager was originally put forth by Blaise Pascal, a 17th century philosopher and mathematician. According to the wager, God may or may not exist. If God does exist and you choose to believe in God, then your reward is very high (eternal life in heaven). However, if you do not believe in God, your penalty is very high (eternal punishment in hell). If God does not exist, and you do believe in God, you lose nothing. If you do not believe in a God who does not exist, you gain nothing. If there is an equal chance that God exists or does not exist, then the best wager is to choose the one that has the best payoff (God does exist).'

BubbaG2000
30 May 2008 - 9:58 AM

Oooohh, touchy stuff! But I love it. Shows some harsh truths about humanity. It also points out how more open minded an athiest is next to any god-fearing man. Why is that? I was brought up to respect all people and all beliefs... which is very hard when the respect is not reciprocated.

conrad
conrad  1010874 forum posts116 Constructive Critique Points
30 May 2008 - 10:17 AM

Harsh truths? You, open-minded? You must be joking.

This is your 'open-minded' reaction to Darren's post? To be honest, I think Darren's post is more neutral, more diplomatic and more open-minded than yours.

All Darren did was put forth a scientist's consideration of both positions - those of the believers and the non-believers. And that consideration contains a logical conclusion about the safer option. That's all. It says nothing about someone being right or wrong. And it certainly shows no disrespect to anyone.

Fact of the matter is that your post is an overreaction to a post which didn't even come close to doing what you're suggesting it did.

Last Modified By conrad at 30 May 2008 - 10:18 AM
BubbaG2000
30 May 2008 - 10:27 AM

Sorry, I was talking about the first post! Should have made that clear.

You are right about the "open minded" thing though. As the years go on I have realised that I am just open minded about being open minded.

conrad
conrad  1010874 forum posts116 Constructive Critique Points
30 May 2008 - 10:39 AM

Okay, that explains it. Disregard my previous post, then.

Yes, it is a touchy subject, and usually best left alone.

Last Modified By conrad at 30 May 2008 - 10:39 AM
SandyMiller
30 May 2008 - 10:48 AM


Quote: Yes, it is a touchy subject, and usually best left alone

Yeah politics and religion are best ignored unless your want serious sense of humour failures and violent confrontations...

God's a fascist reactionary. Please discuss.

BubbaG2000
30 May 2008 - 10:48 AM

I hear that! Walking away.... Wink

Tooth
Tooth  95772 forum posts Ireland227 Constructive Critique Points
30 May 2008 - 11:01 AM

from my PF....

"it's good to be open minded....
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...but not so much that your brains fall out"..

Wink

triumphv8
triumphv8  7450 forum posts United Kingdom
30 May 2008 - 11:13 AM

But where else do we get moral guidance from.

With a religeous upbringing there is always that nagging doubt of what if it's true - I'll go to hell.

With a moral foundation based purely on law that nagging doubt is not there and it's simply a matter of whether or not you will be caught and what the punishement will be - certainly not eternal damnation - probabaly just a 50 fine.

Brom
Brom  9804 forum posts United Kingdom
30 May 2008 - 11:30 AM

so what your saying is that all religions are religions of fear. People dont do the right thing for that reason only out of a self interest. That people only have morals because of that fear and are incapable of making a moral judgment about anything without religion? That seems slightly condescending to me

Last Modified By Brom at 30 May 2008 - 11:31 AM
ade_mcfade
ade_mcfade e2 Member 1014816 forum postsade_mcfade vcard England216 Constructive Critique Points
30 May 2008 - 11:30 AM


Quote: If God does not exist, and you do believe in God, you lose nothing

That's bo11ocks - you have to be a Christian.... that's a hell of a price to pay.

Smile

fauxtography
30 May 2008 - 11:33 AM


Quote: With a religious upbringing there is always that nagging doubt of what if it's true - I'll go to hell.

Ahhh the selfish nature of religion, the "I believe because i want to go heaven" phenomenon, belief that is not due to any personal moralistic stance, but for simple selfish gain.

It is possible to have a personal moral compass that has nothing to do with religion you know...

conrad
conrad  1010874 forum posts116 Constructive Critique Points
30 May 2008 - 11:36 AM


Quote: It is possible to have a personal moral compass that has nothing to do with religion you know...

Unfortunately, not everyone I've ever met seems to have made use of that possibility.

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