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3 Jun 2012 - 9:01 AM

l could not put off posting this new thread any longer following yesterdays news article of a Remploy Working Unit (another one) closure in 6 weeks time in South Wales.

I struggle to understand whos side this government is on. They explain that it is better to have people with disabillities integrated and employed in commercial companies rather than them working in a loss making Remploy company. I think thats right, and so probably does evey disabled person -- however everyone knows, except the government, that in practice this will just not happen. They argue that the money spent on Remploy is better spent on integration rather than to continue to support a loss making unit for disabled people.

They 'classify' Remploy as a loss making manufacturing company whereas any person with any common sense see it as a supportive way in which people with disabillities can go to work, earn a wage, pay their taxes and insurance and contribute to society and their own families and if it cost the tax payer a few quid, to me thats cheap to give disabled people pride and respect and something to be proud of.

These proposals to close Remploy will do nothing for the disabled except push them into a welfare claiming situation through no fault of there own because historically they will not be fully integrated (for many reasons) into our working society as the Government seems to think they will be.

Tax relief for Millionares - The Dole for the disabled! (8o(

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hobbo e2 Member 3812 forum postshobbo vcard England2 Constructive Critique Points
3 Jun 2012 - 9:51 AM

I can only agree with your sentiments here......I was a deputy manager of a day centre for adults with learning disabilities for twenty years.....we often had our clients employed at a REMPLOY workshop nearby and those who didn't go there or into local sheltered employment were given training and care in our in house workshops and gardens.

It wasn't all work of course, we also had a Social club, theatre and music groups and a brilliant social life......I left all that a long time ago.....this week I discovered they my old centre hasn't contained workshops or classrooms for over fifteen years now and even this is due to close in September.


Ade_Osman e2 Member 114521 forum postsAde_Osman vcard England36 Constructive Critique Points
3 Jun 2012 - 9:59 AM

Couldn't agree more. As a slightly disabled person myself with various different afflictions and problems this government are in cloud cuckoo land. I've tried going back to work on more than several occasions and at several different vocations, however each time it didn't work out mostly because of a lack of understanding from the employer.

Remploy is a marvellous organisation who give folk a lot worse off than myself a sense of worth and well being. But like everything else this government seems intent on destroying it.......They've put us back in that 80's culture of I'm alright Jack, f*** you!


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3 Jun 2012 - 10:00 AM

Quote: It wasn't all work of course, we also had a Social club, theatre and music groups and a brilliant social life......

Yes - a chap who worked at the South Wales Remploy Unit said this, that all his life was there. He met and married his wife there, his two sons with the same genetic issue also did worked there - it was clear that it was not just a work place - as the government would have you believe.

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Ewanneil  41118 forum posts Scotland2 Constructive Critique Points
3 Jun 2012 - 10:01 AM

Quote: I struggle to understand whos side this government is on.
Tax relief for Millionares - The Dole for the disabled! (8o(

I think you answered your own question.

That apart, thanks for raising this as an issue. It really is shocking what this government are doing.

sherlob e2 Member 82347 forum postssherlob vcard United Kingdom125 Constructive Critique Points
3 Jun 2012 - 10:05 AM

Perhaps the NHS will be the next loss making organisation to close...

lobsterboy Site Moderator 1014175 forum postslobsterboy vcard United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
3 Jun 2012 - 10:43 AM

Yet again I find myself in complete agreement with the OP.
Politicians these days seem to believe there is no value in doing something if it doesn't make a profit and no one will do a job properly unless they are "incentiveised" with a bonus.

If there was the slightest chance of remploy making a profit it would have been privatised years ago...

NEWDIGIT  3401 forum posts United Kingdom
3 Jun 2012 - 10:45 AM

If this Government is so determined to close" loss making" organisations without thought for the wider issues why dont they simply close themselves down they dont produce a single thing apart from greedy expense grabbers.
I wonder just how much it does cost to run the house of commons it must be in the 10 of millions each year, For what!!

lobsterboy Site Moderator 1014175 forum postslobsterboy vcard United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
3 Jun 2012 - 10:50 AM

"Caring Conservative", it seems the only way this government can understand that phrase is with an "or" between the two words !

Rev2  4224 forum posts United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
3 Jun 2012 - 10:51 AM

I wonder if 375,000 would have helped towards keeping Remploy going? This is the unthinkable figure Defra were to put towards culling Buzzards to protect a very small percentage of introduced Pheasant chicks released for shooting (by wealthy landowners) until public outrage made them change their minds.

They can find money when they want to, and not always for sane reasons.


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3 Jun 2012 - 11:10 AM

Why is it that "Common Sense" doesn't seem to function with this lot!

The Granny Tax
The Pastie Tax
The Caravan Tax
The Buzzad Issue
The Millionare Tax Reduction (50p - 45p)
........to name a few!

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puertouk  31081 forum posts United Kingdom17 Constructive Critique Points
3 Jun 2012 - 12:05 PM

This Government are hoping that the private sector will take care of it's problems, which it won't, as they have tried the same tactics every time they come into power. Unemployment rises, taxes, whilst they reduce spending on schools, health and anything else they can do. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

The great Maggie Thatcher would have privatised the NHS if she had got back into power. Did I say great? I did not agree with everything what Arthur Scargill said or did, but he warned everyone that she would close all the pits. She laughed in his face and said he was talking rubbish! Look what happened. She broke the unions and the working class into submission.

The Cons have been warned about the lack of investment in manufacturing by several experts and have been totally ignored and they carry on in there blinkered approach.

When will the British public ever learn that the Conservative Party look after their own, RICH people! The normal working man and woman get a raw deal every time they are in power, so why vote for them? The Labour Party hit the World-wide recession and they got the blame for it by the British voter. The Cons come back into power make slashing cuts, millions on the dole, no manufacturing base and then the people who voted them in start to complain.

I am so glad I moved to Tenerife 6 years ago.

keith selmes
3 Jun 2012 - 4:04 PM

Well, New Labour were rather like the left wing of the Conservative Party, and they had the legacy of Tony Blair with his dodgy dossier and a penchant for invading other countries, followed by Gordon Brown, who was supposed to have regulated the banks but failed to do so. Even then the Conservatives did not get enough votes to form a government and had to send out for help.

I think an election now would see Labour in, simply to get the Conservatives out, but Cameron will be planning to lighten up in 2014, give a few concessions, rig some stats, make some promises, and who knows what will happen in 2015. Three years at the momernt is a long time in economics.


Get Labour back in .... That way they will have to clear up the mess they left. It was the only decent thing to do at the election but we are too fickle, stupid and lacking in long term memory to make a decent decision as to who to let govern our country (if there is a decent party). I bet that deep in the depths of Labour HQ they were praying for a Tory win last time lol .... Then after this government they will hope to have banked enough support and goodwill at the Tory's expense to last a minimum of a couple of terms in office. They are all pigs in a trough and it will only be a matter of time before we are despising the next set of champagne socialists - then the next set of Tories then Labour again.... it's all a game and a very lucrative one for many, beit Labour, Tory, LibDem or whoever.

brian1208 e2 Member 1110402 forum postsbrian1208 vcard United Kingdom12 Constructive Critique Points
3 Jun 2012 - 5:06 PM

+1 ditto

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