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Quote: Get Labour back in ....
Not at all. Labours policy when encountering a problem is to throw money at it - but who's money is that? Thats why we have an unafforable welfare state that has a mind of its own -- up to £500 per week towards rent? - my nephew doesn't even earn that with 5 and half days a week work.
However this Tory government is I believe even worse than Thatchers, at least she gave people the right to buy their council houses.
As for the coal mines - their time had come along with the dockers, print workers and car workers, they all put themselves out of work with their restricted practices.
I totally agree with you Collywobles and the subsequent members comments. Super heroes " the chinless wonders" - Cameron, Osborne & Co have ripped the heart out of this country and are now stamping on it. They are uncaring, heartless, vindictive, cruel rich boys who have proven themselves to be totally out of touch with the regular (backbone) people of this country. But let us not forget it was the labour government who started closing the Remploy units!
Quote: But let us not forget it was the labour government who started closing the Remploy units!
Funny how they have chosen to forget that (and many of the other problems they caused)
Quote: the regular (backbone) people of this country
- including screwing the Pensions of so many
Quote: Get Labour back in .... That way they will have to clear up the mess they left. It was the only decent thing to do at the election but we are too fickle, stupid and lacking in long term memory to make a decent decision as to who to let govern our country (if there is a decent party). I bet that deep in the depths of Labour HQ they were praying for a Tory win last time lol .... Then after this government they will hope to have banked enough support and goodwill at the Tory's expense to last a minimum of a couple of terms in office. They are all pigs in a trough and it will only be a matter of time before we are despising the next set of champagne socialists - then the next set of Tories then Labour again.... it's all a game and a very lucrative one for many, beit Labour, Tory, LibDem or whoever.
Absolutely true. When the conservatives got in, there was a huge collective sigh of relief from the Labour Party. They ****** up and didn't know how to get out of it.
Absolutely ... losing the election is probably Labour's greatest spin .... Campbell will be having an orgasm !! They will go from presiding over a national catastrophe to becoming saviours from it and untouchable for what may be 2, 3 or even more terms. In fact the more painful the treatment the more untouchable they will be when next in office. I said the last election was a poisoned chalice and I am sure I will be proved correct.
But that is the whole point - you think you have revealed a snake and therefore vote for someone else and for some reason you once again think everything will be different (cue the song '#Things Can Only Get Better#'), but they all eat from the same trough, or at least try to. Those that dont are a rare specimen. You are making the age old mistaken presumption that the alternative this time will be DIFFERENT, whiter than white, dedicated, honourable, wont tow the party line regardless of personal feelings, fair and not self-serving.
I agree with Collywobles on this. I think this government really show their true colours (i.e. the same as the last New Labour one) with the disgusting way they treat the disabled in general.
If you are old or disabled, these days, don't expect the government to defend your rights to a decent life: I'm saying this as one who is 68 years old and enjoys good health (I hope!) and am in a fortunate position where I can enjoy life without too many financial restrictions.
It makes my blood boil when I hear so many stories of genuinely disabled people being made to jump through hoops to claim or hold on to their benefits.
My word Garth you and I are growing into a pair of old age twins............ (8o)
Quote: My word Garth you and I are growing into a pair of old age twins............ (8o)
LOL! I don't think you'd like to look like my daft avatar, though! (my "normal" picture in my profile isn't quite so bad, though). 
The great thing about extended exchanges between different characters like ourselves proves that almost everyone can find some common ground and you realise more and more that everything is definitely not black and white.
Quote: everything is definitely not black and white.
Come on Garth you are stretching that a bit now! (8o)
Quote: It makes my blood boil when I hear so many stories of genuinely disabled people being made to jump through hoops to claim or hold on to their benefits.
Why should it make your blood boil? With an annual welfare bill of £110 billion (2011) are you saying that handing out taxpayers money (ie my money!) to anyone who claims to be disabled should not be regulated/controlled/monitored in a proper manner? Incidentally the biggest annual bill is for public service pensions (£122 billion).
All that aside, I have absolutely no confidence in the current political system nor the current government economic strategy. But then again I don't have an alternative.
Quote: Why should it make your blood boil? With an annual welfare bill of £110 billion (2011) are you saying that handing out taxpayers money (ie my money!) to anyone who claims to be disabled should not be regulated/controlled/monitored in a proper manner? Incidentally the biggest annual bill is for public service pensions (£122 billion).
I don't think handing over control and monitoring of the disabled to the private sector is going to be handled in a 'proper manner' when profits will be made by forcing unfit people into work.
Some of the media tends to exaggerate the number of disabled claiming fraudulently and its a pity they don't remind people of the super fat cats who have been awarded tax cuts.
It still makes my blood boil - the fact is - unless all my sources are lying to me, is that there have already been incidents of disabled folk being forced into work when they are clearly not well enough to do the job. Then, as if that were not enough, genuine disabled people and carers are having their benefits trimmed.
The whole thing is disgusting - almost as disgusting as Blair and New Labour with their 'humanitarian' interventions that killed countless innocent civilians.
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