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Quote: I find the French are the worst for pushing in front regardless.
That's a pretty narrow view of the French, Adrian. Yes, they are often spectacularly good at creating chaos and blatantly disrespectful of queues, but paradoxically some parts of French culture and etiquette are routinely more genteel than anything you'd easily find in the UK.
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Quote: some parts of French culture and etiquette are routinely more genteel than anything you'd easily find in the UK.
I don't doubt that for one minute but in the context of this thread, ie people pushing in front & standing in the way, I have always found the French to be the worst offenders & the least likely to move when requested.
Quote: I don't doubt that for one minute but in the context of this thread, ie people pushing in front & standing in the way, I have always found the French to be the worst offenders & the least likely to move when requested.
I find it somewhat tangential to pinpoint inconsiderate behaviour on certain nationalities, too, which I'm sure wasn't the original intention of this thread. Arthur Wellesley had a solution for French disorder, although it would seem a little drastic for the sake of a photo.
Ronnie (the original poster) alluded to the behaviour of the people in Glasgow who were presumably mostly Scots.
[Name removed along with the comment - mod] had commented about the Russians being particulaly bad, & someone else mentioned the poor behaviour of a group whom he thought were either Dutch or Belgian ( & I'll ignore Pulsars' comment). I was just observing that in my experience in many countries, the French tourists seem to be less considerate than most others.
Quote: It is a sad reflection of today's society, unfortunately the polite British queue and manners have been overtaken by an influx of mainly immigrant influenced behavior which is now becoming commonplace in our own society too, a bold accusation possibly ? I see it every day when i take my child to school, when i go to the shops and in my email inbox, everywhere. Nothing to do but think carefully next time you vote in an election of exactly what you want and what people are willing to do about it
Steady someone might be along to accuse you of being racist
Quote: After waiting for a shot, so often another bloke with a camera would jump in front of me and block my view while he got what he wanted
I`d walk up and start photographing them, most will soon run for cover
Narcissism used to be exceptional but now it seems to be the norm, fuelled by the media and a parenting system that seems to exclude the word "no" completely.
I went to Venice for Carnevale last year and was astonished at how considerate the Venetians were to the many photographers there. Many halted in their tracks and waited when I and others were taking photographs and a lady leaned over for me on the Vaporetto to clear my view. Other photographers however were incredibly rude. A firm tap on the shoulder and a gesture to indicate that I was setting up a shot left them shocked and surprised at being challenged, but it usually worked.
At events and paid photo days I have noticed that I tend to get the rude treatment far more than others and I am convinced that this is because as a 65 year old female I am invisible. The sharp tap on the shoulder and a reminder that I am setting up a shot almost always gets a look of complete and utter bewilderment and surprise that I am there at all! I guess that the expectation is that I should be tucked up at home with a hand crocheted blanket draped over my knees. You have to be a very feisty saggy old bat to get any shots at all I today's world.
It may be reasonable to express an opinion about specific people you have met, but generalised remarks are not reasonable. One has been removed. People have offered balance here for some remarks; as such these can stay.
The point of this thread is that of behaviour, not nationality.
It would seem that the rudeness of so many at this event is a fairly typical experience of so many of you. We seem to live in a society where "me" is all important, and consideration for others is non existent for so many.
A sad reflection of the times in which we live, and presumably not part of the Big Society as envisaged by our PM.
Thank you to all who have responded with a 'generalised' comment.
Quote: and worse yet when its an event like at photographers' day at somewhere like the British Wildlife Centre
Go along on a "normal " day or an " epz members meet "and you will not encounter any such problems
I've done the public day (one of our "Olds" coach trips") and you are right Jeff, much better behaved, but you don't get to play footsie with the Foxes or Otters or have the Field Mouse out to play
Not been able to make the EPZ sessions yet but I'm sure everyone is very quiet and polite
O I know what you mean Ronnie, Some so called Photographers give the name a bad insight,but then again everyone who carries a camera these days are photographers not all I might add but it's just not on, to them it's dog eat dog, pleased I'm not like that, on the other hand I have had the other side and I know which one I prefer sometimes patience is just not enough, stand your ground I say.
The worst ones are those that pull out the "I am a photographer" card, seconds before you punch them
Next time I'm coming on a photo trip with you Paul Morgan. I'll do the sharp tap in the shoulder challenge and if they pull the "I'm a photographer" stunt, you punch them!
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