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    miptog
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    16 Apr 2008 - 3:23 PM
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    The technique I use is to focus on the eyes, half-press, recompose along the rule of thirds and then press the shutter full way.

    The sharpest part of the lens is the center. By reposition to a third, it will not be as sharp as being positioned in the center. Is that correct?

    Also if using Flash, either on-camera, or off-camera, is it advisable to use FV (Flash Value Lock) as putting on a third will not get the correct flash exposure?

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    cameracat
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    16 Apr 2008 - 3:39 PM
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    Quote: Rule of Thirds never heard of it.

    LOL @ Adrian.......Smile

    I think the thirds rule is a landscape thing.....!

    Not really much use on a portrait.....Sad

    Coleslaw
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    16 Apr 2008 - 3:43 PM
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    Quote: I think the thirds rule is a landscape thing.....!

    hmm...can't really agree on that. I think it works in general.

    cameracat
    cameracat (e2 Member)
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    16 Apr 2008 - 3:48 PM
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    Michael ! Here is a tip for a fellow D200 user, And it goes hand in hand with Adrians comment.

    First switch to single focus area, Then use your pad to move the focus point to one nearest the eye's....Then press the shutter button, There is no real need to focus on the centre one & recompose, That's a left over from the old day's....!


    Quote: can't really agree

    What a suprise.....Tongue

    Last Modified By cameracat at 16 Apr 2008 - 3:49 PM


    Quote: The technique I use is to focus on the eyes, half-press, recompose along the rule of thirds and then press the shutter full way.

    If you are using an aperture like f1.4 or 1.8 don't use this method. The point you wish to be sharp could well become out of focus (depending on how far away you are from your subject)...as has been said you are best using the nearest AF point.


    Quote: Rule of Thirds never heard of it.

    horsesh*t Wink Tongue


    Quote: Not really much use on a portrait.....

    Nope, Cole is right it can be useful generally. Grin

    Last Modified By fauxtography at 16 Apr 2008 - 3:58 PM
    Krakman
    16 Apr 2008 - 4:08 PM
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    The rule of thirds - ignore it Smile Good composition is far more complex than any such simplistic formula. Just do whatever looks good throught the lens.

    Last Modified By Krakman at 16 Apr 2008 - 4:09 PM

    A simplification yes, nonsense, not so much. It's a good guide to getting your composition on the right track...but yes, as always you should rely on what is looking good through your viewfinder.

    Krakman
    16 Apr 2008 - 4:13 PM
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    Sorry, I was being a bit brutal. It's a pet dislike of mine! I think it's main use is for people who have a problem always putting the subject in the middle. It's a good way to remind them to put it somewhere else occasionally.

    Last Modified By Krakman at 16 Apr 2008 - 4:14 PM
    stolzy
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    16 Apr 2008 - 4:18 PM
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    Quote: There is no real need to focus on the centre one & recompose, That's a left over from the old day's....!

    You think, I still do it the old way (on a D200 too), seems easier than messing with that irritating multi-knob thing.
    Each to his own.

    rowarrior
    16 Apr 2008 - 4:36 PM
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    Quote: Generally i use the focus point nearest the eye which ever that may be then recompose.


    Oh good, my dad does it the other (old fashioned?!) way, but I figured the focal point had to move for a reason, and I've been moving it about for all sorts of shots! Reassuring to know I hadn't completely got the wrong end of the stick!

    Mike Otley
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    16 Apr 2008 - 5:44 PM
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    Quote: Cole is right it can be useful generally.

    Totally agree. For some people who have compositional problems, using the 'RoT' as a guide is an immense help.

    Agreed - it is not a panacea - but it is a good starting point in any situation where there is a subject/focal point to the finished image.

    Last Modified By Mike Otley at 16 Apr 2008 - 5:45 PM
    Chris_L
    16 Apr 2008 - 7:02 PM
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    No doubt about it Mike.

    If you were to get a load of photographs which were taken by casual snappers and draw a simple cross, two lines that intersect at the centre of the picture, usually that's where you'd find a person's eyes, an animal, building, horizon or whatever.

    I'm not scared to admit, that in situations where I'm snapping away (say on holiday) I still sometimes catch myself about to press the shutter button with the bloomin subject dead centre.

    Rule of thirds is at the least a great starting point when you first look through the viewfinder and begin to frame the shot.

    Chris_L
    16 Apr 2008 - 7:06 PM
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    When I'm doing group shots I set a single left of centre focal point, which works well for shots of two and three people where there may be a gap in the middle.

    But if it's a single item/person, I'll use the centre-point, half-press, then recompose method. Odd.

    stevekhart
    16 Apr 2008 - 7:17 PM
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    Quote: Also if using Flash, either on-camera, or off-camera, is it advisable to use FV (Flash Value Lock) as putting on a third will not get the correct flash exposure?

    If you're using matrix metering then no point - it will balance the exposure for the whole scene. If you're using spot metering then it will meter from the selected focus point, so if you've recomposed you may be as well to take a fv measurement at the time of focussing just to be sure. If you're using the closest focus point and not recomposing then you'll be OK without the fv.

    miptog
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    16 Apr 2008 - 7:29 PM
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    Some great comments here Chaps. Thanks

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