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tomcat e2
9 6.2k 15 United Kingdom
20 Dec 2012 8:27PM

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scrimmy e2
6 379 5 Scotland
20 Dec 2012 8:31PM
hear anybody laughing? except .. what's his name again
User_Removed 10 17.9k 8 Norway
20 Dec 2012 8:39PM
'Dickhead' springs to mind...
tomcat e2
9 6.2k 15 United Kingdom
20 Dec 2012 8:47PM

Quote:'Dickhead' springs to mind...


Who Mike?

The criminal or the judisory?
mattw 11 5.2k 10 United Kingdom
20 Dec 2012 8:54PM

Quote:The criminal or the judisory?

The 'Judisory', definitely.

you have to wonder if the Judge has any idea what an ATM is.
tomcat e2
9 6.2k 15 United Kingdom
20 Dec 2012 8:58PM

Quote:you have to wonder if the Judge has any idea what an ATM is.


Automatic tea machineSmile
tomcat e2
9 6.2k 15 United Kingdom
20 Dec 2012 9:00PM
I wonder if we, the natives of this land, should resort to criminal activities and when sentenced (to prison), appeal on the grounds of previous casesWink

Go and try the same in their countries and see what leniency you would receive
monstersnowman 9 1.7k 1 England
20 Dec 2012 9:24PM
As a police officer I quickly learned not to check court results as they came through on the printer as it was insulting, demoralising and quite honestly made you wonder why you bothered. It's been like this for many many years, if not always.
thewilliam 6 4.8k
20 Dec 2012 9:41PM
Soon there will be a lot more Bulgarians and Romanians coming to live here because they get preferential treatment for Social Security benefits. We''re one of a couple of countries in the EU that doesn't require them to contribute anything to this country before claiming./

They can't be deported either!
strawman 11 22.0k 16 United Kingdom
20 Dec 2012 9:50PM
If you check the figures you would find the people coming to the UK from Eastern Europe are far more likely to be paying tax etc than UK residents. And as employers will tell you their performance as employees is not too bad on mass either. Of course they will have their elements who are criminals, just as we create home grown criminals but the coming to the UK to take benefit story, well remember, if you earn less than 40kpa its likely you will take more out from the system than you pay in tax over your life.

If they have come to the UK to work they are motivated.

This has been discussed many times, are you certain it is that easy to walk in and claim in the UK.
monstersnowman 9 1.7k 1 England
21 Dec 2012 12:11AM
You make a good point strawman but, if we are fair, that is one small slice of the story (an isolated statistic). You state yourself that earning under 40k pa generally means a negative life contribution, so I presume most immigrants will fall into this category and hence the possibility that the vast majority either pay no tax or have a negative overall contribution. It is burden enough to look after our own non contributors but i can understand people being concerned about also importing claimants and negative contributors ... rather than only allowing people in with savings or who make a genuine contribution. Paying tax does not in any way mean paying your way .... Many people pay tax but get far more tax credits straight back. My point demonstrates that simple stats mean nothing .. And the issue is complicated.

Another aspect of open borders is the influx of petty criminals and serious organised criminals attracted to our country and its free system and lack of preparation for their activities. Some Eastern European groups can certainly show our hard boys a lesson in violent organised crime, including terrible activities such as human trafficking etc ..
cathal 10 492 4 Ireland
21 Dec 2012 12:29AM
I love these debates...

Of course, UK nationals do not migrate from the UK to other parts of the EU (or world), and a UK national has never migrated to another country to carry out criminal acts.

Regardless of where he was from, that sentence was an absolute joke.
Paul Morgan e2
13 16.1k 6 England
21 Dec 2012 2:10AM

Quote:If you check the figures you would find the people coming to the UK from Eastern Europe are far more likely to be paying tax etc than UK residents


I don`t see it that way John, there`s some 700, 000 immigrants working in the UK, that`s a lot of jobs that could have reduced are dole queue, and these are just those working legally.
monstersnowman 9 1.7k 1 England
21 Dec 2012 4:01AM

Quote:I love these debates...

Of course, UK nationals do not migrate from the UK to other parts of the EU (or world), and a UK national has never migrated to another country to carry out criminal acts.

Regardless of where he was from, that sentence was an absolute joke.



Yes the sentence was a joke and hopefully any uk residents moving abroad to carry out illegal activities will be dealt with robustly by the judicial system of the country whose hospitality they abuse - you choose the country so you take a chance knowing their judicial system (as long as international law is observed).
losbarbados 5 236 United Kingdom
21 Dec 2012 7:21AM

Quote:You make a good point strawman but, if we are fair, that is one small slice of the story (an isolated statistic). You state yourself that earning under 40k pa generally means a negative life contribution, so I presume most immigrants will fall into this category and hence the possibility that the vast majority either pay no tax or have a negative overall contribution.


The large part of your sub 40k drawing on the system rather than contributing is in the first 18 years of life. Education and child health care don't come cheap, so it is unlikely that a large number of first generation immigrants would fall into that catagory

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