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Thank you for your comment, Rob. Any views on rob's suggestion?
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Keeping it B&W only seems the simplest option.
For a moment it seemed obvious, if it starts from a black and white negative, it's black and white.
If it doesn't start from a black and white negative, then it isn't.
Then I realised there might be a digital flaw in that reasoning (!)
I've assumed that when people say black and white, that's what they mean, and when they say monochrome that's what they mean, and the two things are quite different. Obviously cyanotype isn't B&W, but it is monochrome.
But I've a feeling I'm just contributing to the prolongation of agony, and the group have already decided a practical compromise.
The NCPF. Rules that monochrome cannot include both black and another colour(which includes sepia.)
Ergo sepia is not black!!! And colour tinting is NOT black and white.
Quote: I agree, Glenn. But how, apart fom starting another group?
Just edit the group page
I think that there is already a group running that could work with non "pure" black and white
teh description says
Quote: This is a group for serious Mono enthusiasts to share images and techniques used . The group welcomes photographs (both digital and film) taken in black & white or colour that have been converted.
Toned images are very welcome.
I would therefore propose that this group stays pure black and white (and shades of grey) and that all toned and tinted images are added to the mono enthusiasts group
I'd be happy with including:
a) 'Black and White' only i.e. shades of grey.
b) 'Black and White' and 'sepia' as an attempt to imitate faded old black and white photos.
Not sure any others really belong in a Black and White group.
But, having said (well, alright, typed that) my preference would be for pure Black and White / Shades of grey. It's an art in itself, and it would be sad to see it swamped by colour. It took ages to get the effect I wanted in my pic, but then turing it into a sepia toned oldie took about 2 minutes in Photoscape (downloaded it a few days ago
Whether or not there should be more scope in 'another' competition group (the existing Monochrome Group or a new one) is another matter and worth discussing.
Thank you Pete. Valuable points for discussion.
Sepia is not black or white, it's just horrid.
I note that Sandgrouse, the B&W challenge group founder, accepted a sepia tinted photo in the very first challenge. Sepia photos have been appearing sporadically ever since without causing problems.
It's a shame that we can't just leave things as they are with people occasionally putting a sepia one in if they want (oh, all right, a toned one in) and then it's up to the person judging that week. That's how it would be now if nobody had questioned it in the first place. It's nice not having rules / restrictions etc...
I any comp I've ever come across, club and others, one colour or tone is allowed so I don't see why we should be any different.
. . . leave them in.
A photograph or picture developed or executed in black and white or in varying tones of only one color.
Thank you Anne. I think there will be white smoke coming out of the group's chimney by tomorrow night.
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