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JawDborn
JawDborn e2 Member 2728 forum postsJawDborn vcard England
12 Mar 2013 - 2:52 PM

Thank you for your comment, Rob. Any views on rob's suggestion?

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Carabosse
Carabosse e2 Member 1139395 forum postsCarabosse vcard England269 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2013 - 2:53 PM

Keeping it B&W only seems the simplest option. Wink

keith selmes
12 Mar 2013 - 2:57 PM

For a moment it seemed obvious, if it starts from a black and white negative, it's black and white.
If it doesn't start from a black and white negative, then it isn't.
Then I realised there might be a digital flaw in that reasoning (!)

I've assumed that when people say black and white, that's what they mean, and when they say monochrome that's what they mean, and the two things are quite different. Obviously cyanotype isn't B&W, but it is monochrome.

But I've a feeling I'm just contributing to the prolongation of agony, and the group have already decided a practical compromise.

JawDborn
JawDborn e2 Member 2728 forum postsJawDborn vcard England
12 Mar 2013 - 3:01 PM

The NCPF. Rules that monochrome cannot include both black and another colour(which includes sepia.)
Ergo sepia is not black!!! And colour tinting is NOT black and white.

Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1315202 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2013 - 3:04 PM


Quote: I agree, Glenn. But how, apart fom starting another group?

Just edit the group page Smile

blastedkane
12 Mar 2013 - 3:13 PM

I think that there is already a group running that could work with non "pure" black and white

http://www.ephotozine.com/groups/mono-enthusiasts-group-806

teh description says


Quote: This is a group for serious Mono enthusiasts to share images and techniques used . The group welcomes photographs (both digital and film) taken in black & white or colour that have been converted.
Toned images are very welcome.

I would therefore propose that this group stays pure black and white (and shades of grey) and that all toned and tinted images are added to the mono enthusiasts group

petebfrance
12 Mar 2013 - 3:37 PM

I'd be happy with including:
a) 'Black and White' only i.e. shades of grey.
or
b) 'Black and White' and 'sepia' as an attempt to imitate faded old black and white photos.

Not sure any others really belong in a Black and White group.

But, having said (well, alright, typed that) my preference would be for pure Black and White / Shades of grey. It's an art in itself, and it would be sad to see it swamped by colour. It took ages to get the effect I wanted in my pic, but then turing it into a sepia toned oldie took about 2 minutes in Photoscape (downloaded it a few days ago Smile
ormaybeold.jpg

Whether or not there should be more scope in 'another' competition group (the existing Monochrome Group or a new one) is another matter and worth discussing.

JawDborn
JawDborn e2 Member 2728 forum postsJawDborn vcard England
12 Mar 2013 - 3:48 PM

Thank you Pete. Valuable points for discussion.Smile

Jack

mervyntattoo
12 Mar 2013 - 4:00 PM

Sepia is not black or white, it's just horrid.

JawDborn
JawDborn e2 Member 2728 forum postsJawDborn vcard England
12 Mar 2013 - 5:32 PM

I note that Sandgrouse, the B&W challenge group founder, accepted a sepia tinted photo in the very first challenge. Sepia photos have been appearing sporadically ever since without causing problems.

petebfrance
12 Mar 2013 - 6:18 PM

It's a shame that we can't just leave things as they are with people occasionally putting a sepia one in if they want (oh, all right, a toned one in) and then it's up to the person judging that week. That's how it would be now if nobody had questioned it in the first place. It's nice not having rules / restrictions etc...

SlowSong
SlowSong e2 Member 64372 forum postsSlowSong vcard England28 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2013 - 6:20 PM

I any comp I've ever come across, club and others, one colour or tone is allowed so I don't see why we should be any different.

Jestertheclown
12 Mar 2013 - 6:20 PM

. . . leave them in.

AnneWorner
AnneWorner e2 Member 6606 forum postsAnneWorner vcard United States41 Constructive Critique Points
12 Mar 2013 - 7:55 PM

Monochrome:

A photograph or picture developed or executed in black and white or in varying tones of only one color.

JawDborn
JawDborn e2 Member 2728 forum postsJawDborn vcard England
12 Mar 2013 - 8:23 PM

Thank you Anne. I think there will be white smoke coming out of the group's chimney by tomorrow night.Smile

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