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So why after all this time, you want to change the rules.
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No body has said we want to change the rules, Paul. We are simply considering democratically a suggestion that we may wish to change the rules. See discussions in this week's forum topic.
My opinion is that the majority of images entered are black and white and are all judged on the same basis by whoever judges.
There should be no preference given just because an image has been toned. I would certainly judge a toned image as if it were black and white.
Therefore I personally see no point in entering a toned image, if I thought a toned version was worthy showing I would do that in the gallery as a version set.
Thank you, Ken. Another valuable contribution to the debate..
AH Yes the Coffin full of Worms lol. Good evening or good morning everyone (depending on when you are reading this). The search definition of B+W vs Sepia results I got was.... B+W is Black and White to include shades of Grey. Sepia photography is dark brown to rusty looking in colour . I feel if we are to allow sepia then we simply need to tweek the name of the group and rule 4 a wee bit or let the challenge name and rule 4 stand and let the judge of the week decide if other tones are acceptable.
Mervyntattoo I agree that sepia is not B+W but sorry I must disagree with "horrid". I find that Sepia has it's place and when applied to the right shot can be outstanding.
Sorry , Just thought I would repost my search results in here also I am fine with what ever the final decision is but will most likely continue to upload B+W shots only.
may I draw your attention to rule 9 and to this
Good Point Scrimmy, on both, rule 9 and the link.
Quote: The intensity of a pixel is expressed within a given range between a minimum and a maximum, inclusive. This range is represented in an abstract way as a range from 0 (total absence, black) and 1 (total presence, white), with any fractional values in between
I quite like sepia though
Thanks for the link Scrimmy. It's made all the discussion seem worthwhile.a
Taking up Paul's and Scrimmy's points, nobody has explained clearly ( or otherwise) to me what is wrong in keeping things the same as they have been for the last two years or so. Why is the occasional sepia tinted entry a problem?
Sepia has a long and honourable tradition in photography as a monochrome format; I would leave things as they are. If it ain't broke don't fix it!
Quote: Taking up Paul's and Scrimmy's points, nobody has explained clearly ( or otherwise) to me what is wrong in keeping things the same as they have been for the last two years or so. Why is the occasional sepia tinted entry a problem?
If I may direct the right honourable gentleman's attention to rule 4. It all depends on how purist you want to be, I guess - but do a few rules and 'fun' have to be mutually exclusive?
Sepia and B&W have something in common - they're often used in the absence of any real image content rather than to accentuate it.
Rule 4 has been there since the group started, glenn. So have occasional sepia toned prints.
Quote: .......what is wrong in keeping things the same as they have been for the last two years or so. Why is the occasional sepia tinted entry a problem?
Yep, I vote for that
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