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Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1314965 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
9 Jul 2013 - 6:10 PM

Yep you leave windows open or partially open keeping dogs in cars.

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answersonapostcard
answersonapostcard Site Moderator 1012551 forum postsanswersonapostcard vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
9 Jul 2013 - 6:11 PM

There are other videos that give a different view of this, its not straightforward at all.

arhb
arhb e2 Member 72150 forum postsarhb vcard United Kingdom67 Constructive Critique Points
9 Jul 2013 - 6:13 PM

In the first instance, it seems like a funny place to exercise the dog - more like somewhere to parade the dog.
Paul, if the dog was secured in the car, it wouldn't have got out of it's own accord, regardless of what was ocurring to it's owner.
In your own words, the dog 'runs to his aid' - how is he going to aid his owner in this situation?

We don't know who this dude was and whether he was a known problem to the police -
the dog might have even been responsible for attacks on other dogs or humans - we don't know.

Just a video snippet with a lot of assumptions.

lawbert
lawbert  71695 forum posts England15 Constructive Critique Points
9 Jul 2013 - 6:22 PM

Another View

Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1314965 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
9 Jul 2013 - 6:24 PM


Quote: We don't know who this dude was and whether he was a known problem to the police

Yes he was known to the police, he had sued or was in the process of suing them.

I can understand the police using force like that, it was a spur of the moment reaction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFCUIYkP9Wk

keithh
keithh  1022807 forum posts Wallis and Futuna29 Constructive Critique Points
9 Jul 2013 - 6:30 PM

You can see there's an operation in progress (I've read it was a hostage situation), man with dog turns up, music whacking out of the car, not just filming but trying to be seen filming, police ask him to leave, (possibly for his own safety) he gets mouthy, they decide to forcibly remove him from the scene, dog jumps out of wide open window, attacks and is shot in self defence.

Another man records, what is probably in the whole scheme of things, just another day like any other day.....but to most people its unique and it goes viral.

answersonapostcard
answersonapostcard Site Moderator 1012551 forum postsanswersonapostcard vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
9 Jul 2013 - 6:38 PM






another view.

Last Modified By answersonapostcard at 9 Jul 2013 - 6:39 PM
monstersnowman

Just goes to show, don't let the truth get in the way if a good Internet backlash .... I bet those who sought to send the video viral and cause mass protest probably saw what they wanted to see and nothing else and also probably saw the far clearer second video but it didn't serve their purpose so ignored it. It also goes to show how even videos can often fail to accurately give accounts of things .. But It won't stop people filling in all the blanks, assuming and coming to a verdict. There will still be thousands pouring over and over this video in minute detail desperately looking for one tiny shred of potential ambiguity, doubt or questionable action to brand the situation police brutality. Look long enough at anything and someone will question something. A very sad outcome but it seems the right thing was done in terms of the arrested man and dealing with the dog, however awful it was to watch.

mikehit
mikehit  46189 forum posts United Kingdom9 Constructive Critique Points
9 Jul 2013 - 6:59 PM

Too many people have the view 'it is never the dog's fault because there are only bad owners'. Add a heavy mix of 'the police are [insert expletive of choice here]'. Then a hefty dose of the self-righteous 'Anonymous' hackers and internet knee-jerk. And you have a real recipe for concocted outrage.

Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1314965 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
9 Jul 2013 - 7:03 PM


Quote: Just goes to show, don't let the truth get in the way if a good Internet backlash

There just trigger happy, its not as if this is an isolated case, there`s got to be a simpler way of stopping a dog without killing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtOMswZ9Vp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kef0Lil9liY

Last Modified By Paul Morgan at 9 Jul 2013 - 7:06 PM
mikehit
mikehit  46189 forum posts United Kingdom9 Constructive Critique Points
9 Jul 2013 - 7:09 PM

If you are faced with what you perceive to be a hefty, aggressive Rottweiler can you come up with one?
Those videos are from different parts of the country so really are irrelevant.

Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1314965 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
9 Jul 2013 - 7:35 PM


Quote: If you are faced with what you perceive to be a hefty, aggressive Rottweiler can you come up with one?

Yes its simple, you let go of your prisoner and take a few steps back.

CaptivePhotons
CaptivePhotons e2 Member 111517 forum postsCaptivePhotons vcard England2 Constructive Critique Points
9 Jul 2013 - 8:06 PM


Quote: Yes its simple, you let go of your prisoner and take a few steps back.

And then?

Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1314965 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
9 Jul 2013 - 8:26 PM

You walk away.

mikehit
mikehit  46189 forum posts United Kingdom9 Constructive Critique Points
9 Jul 2013 - 9:17 PM

Leaving someone you saw fit to arrest walk away. Great move.
At what point does the owner have responsibility for not properly securing his dog?

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