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    DrJim
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    9 Mar 2006 - 10:59 PM
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    Just a moment ago, I read the review of the Sigma 30mm f/1.4 EX DC review on this website (found here). A few things I read and saw made me wonder. Firstly, it is claimed in the review that:
    Quote: CA (Chromatic aberration) has been eliminated to all intent and purpose. Shooting against a clear sky and blowing up to 400% showed no evidence of any fringing from f/2 onwards.

    However, in the sample picture of the harbour that is provided to illustratethis quality (seen here) you'll find fringing that makes my Nikon 12-24 green with envy (enlarge the image to 100%, scroll all the way to the right and check the top part of the mast against the white sky). Moreover, the other image that is provided to illustrate the optical performance of the lens (seen here) is unsharp (I suspect this to be motion blur) and not very useful to judge the optcal performance of the lens. I would like to propose that this review be redone, because as it is, I do not find it very helpful.

    Regards,

    Francois Hendrickx

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    strawman
    9 Mar 2006 - 11:19 PM
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    I think it is a down sized and compressed image, I would hesitate to judge quality at that close a view on an image like that. Also is it an artifact of the camera/compression or the lens?

    dark_lord
    9 Mar 2006 - 11:31 PM
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    Those images are 3070x2046, the size I got from my 300D (C1 LE seems to lose 2 pixels off each dimension somehow unlike Adobe camera raw), hardly downsized. Obviously jpg compressed, but on a high quality setting as the file size is large. Good enough to download and print yourself.
    I agree about not making ultimate quality judgements, but (a) its much better than the 'example enlargements' printed in magazines. And the second image is soft.

    DrJim
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    9 Mar 2006 - 11:32 PM
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    Strawman, which image is compressed and downsized, in your opinion? What makes you think so? And if you are right, do you think it is good practice to present downsized and compressed images in a lens review without notifying the reader about this?
    And if the CA in the harbour image is indeed caused by the sensor rather than the lens, don't you agree that a reviewer should investigate this or at least refer to the fact that he is uncertain at this point?

    Regards,

    Francois

    mattmatic
    10 Mar 2006 - 12:11 AM
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    Yes, I see it as fringing on the edges. The centre looks ok, but all the edges show the fringing - either purple or green.

    Doesn't look like sensor issues to me, especiallly if out of Capture One.
    Matt

    Pete
    Pete (ePHOTOzine Staff)
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    16713 forum postsPete vcard ePz Advertiser England86 Constructive Critique Points
    10 Mar 2006 - 12:13 AM
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    Let's see what Ian, who tested the lens, feels about this. He should be along later.

    IanA
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    3048 forum posts England12 Constructive Critique Points
    10 Mar 2006 - 1:30 AM
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    Hello Francois,

    Welcome to ePhotozine.

    Firstly the 'CA' that you have pointed out is a blue rope running down the mast. That is certainly what it appears to me, having just looked at the RAW file again. It is, however, only about 1 pixel wide.

    The statement you have highlighted was made after assessing the full size picture of the Lifeboat seen in the review along with the results of bench testing and putting the results through Imatest. At no point do those result exceed the acceptable parameters set out by Norman Koren.

    The other shot was taken, according to the exif, at 1/4000sec at ISO100 and f/1.4, so, even if the camera was set up on a pendulum, it is unlikely to have motion blur!
    As stated in the review, the lens is softer at the wide open aperture at which that shot is taken.

    The two shots that you have highlighted are compressed jpgs, normally compressed to around 50% in photoshop to give an idea of the quality of the lens without murdering the site's bandwidth. As Krimage has pointed out, they are still a better representation than shots in a magazine.

    Should you want to investigate the findings further, I would be happy to send you the RAW files of both these shots and the Lifeboat shot from which I made the statement. Drop me an e-mail.

    I hope this helps.

    Ian

    DrJim
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    10 Mar 2006 - 2:14 AM
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    Ian,

    Thank you for taking the time to respond to my remarks. It seems, then, that the wrong images were posted to illustrate your point (the lifeboat image might have been a more appropriate choice?) and that the editor was out for lunch when you pushed the "send" button. Still, I do see CA in the harbour image. For if the blue line down the right side of the mast is indeed a rope (and I have no reason to question your observation in this respect) then there must also be a purple rope running down the left side of the mast. And there are funny pieces of purple rope appearing all through the right side of the picture, once you start looking for them, most notably further down the mast, where the foresail and the mizzen (?) cross highlights in the water. Surely, these are not jpeg artifacts?

    I don't mind you pesenting compressed jpegs on the website, but if you do, I think you ought to make mention of the fact.

    I maintain my position that precisely these two images show weaknesses in the lens which, to my mind, don't get the attention in your review which they deserve. I think the image quality of the 1.4 shot is awful, especially if it was properly focused and shot at 1/4000. To my eye, there is not a single spot in the frame that is truely sharp. And based on those two images alone, I wouldn't think the lens would be worth a recommendation.

    Regards,

    Franois

    IanA
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    3048 forum posts England12 Constructive Critique Points
    10 Mar 2006 - 2:43 AM
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    Hello Francois,

    The two images are standard shots that are posted for every lens I review and are chosen for exactly the reasons that have arisen your interest, that they will show up any weaknesses.
    I don't take just the shots shown and in fact used the lens for about a week for my own general photography. As stated in the review, I was happy with it and was sorry to see it go.

    At Focus recently, I was asked about my reviews and stated that I take them seriously, realising that any comments I make are likely to influence what you, the reader, spends your hard earned cash on. Therefore, should I make a recommendation, it is one I truly believe.

    The only instruction I have been given by the editor is to be honest and, short of being slanderous, that is what I do.
    If you read my review of the 12-24 that you mention, you will see by comparing the two articles that my findings are similar to yours. And remember that that lens is three times the price, price being one of many people's major considerations.
    I often get e-mails asking to expand on areas of reviews, something I readily answer where more specific details are required.

    Ian

    DrJim
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    10 Mar 2006 - 3:00 AM
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    Ian,

    My point is, and remains, a simple one: the lens in question _does_ show fringing, and it seems that when used at 1.4, it is unaccpetably soft. This clear to see for anyone who looks at the pictures which you presented. Where is the problem?

    regards,

    Francois

    strawman
    10 Mar 2006 - 3:06 AM
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    Ian/DrJim I probably owe you an apology. When I right clicked on the harbour scene IE told me it was 1012x674. If I load it into elements it is in fact much bigger so must be something to do with the IE re-size.

    I have a Vivitar lens that produces nice bright purple fringes of a few pixels wide, so I was looking for that sort of effect. The question is does the edge effect seriously impact the image as it looks to be 1-3 pixels wide where I can see it. Is this true. And if so given its nature, is it not as Ian states effectivley an non issue.

    Canon's 50mm f1.8 is about that soft wide open but sharpens a lot as it closes. Why not expect the same from this lens?

    DrJim
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    10 Mar 2006 - 3:10 AM
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    Strawman,


    Quote: Canon's 50mm f1.8 is about that soft wide open but sharpens a lot as it closes. Why not expect the same from this lens?

    Then what's the point of a 1.4?

    Francois

    strawman
    10 Mar 2006 - 3:16 AM
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    It gives you the option. In some photographs you can use the softness. Also what level of softness do you notice when you print, and how much can you adjust as you sharpen or adjust contrast.

    I often find with digital we go pixel peeping in to each pixel, where with film we would have just observed the print.

    I took a photo at ISO1600, wide open on the lens. Zooming in it had noise and was a bit soft. As a slide in a competition it was commended with comments on composition not sharpness or noise. Fact is it looked like it was shot on ISO 400 slide film, and as a projected image 6ft tall it was sharp enough, at a 6ft viewing distance.

    ahollowa
    10 Mar 2006 - 4:10 AM
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    Looking at the wide open image. Yes it is soft. However there is a lot of detail in it and I would expect it to respond nicely to a bit of extra sharpening. If this is what this lens can produce at 1.4 I for one would buy it. The only reason I haven't is I can't decide whether to go full frame or remain with the crop format so crop only lens purchases are on hold.

    cheers

    Al.

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