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    tezza
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    20 May 2004 - 8:08 AM
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    On a photo shoot yesterday, I took some pictures using a studio flash head.

    After about 50 shots, the flash would not fire. I tried different connection cables and still nothing. I tried it all again on a different camera and hey presto it worked fine again, so immediatley I thought it was my ist d.

    BUT, when I got home, I tried again with a different studio flash head and it works fine with all the same cables on the same ist d.

    I am now totally confused.

    Further info: on the ist d, various settings were tried and all shutter speeds were below recommended setting. Have I just changed something in one of the menus by accident maybe, although I don't think so...?

    Any suggestions?

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    redsnappa
    20 May 2004 - 8:32 AM
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    Two things that I know of that can stop a camera firing a flash.

    1- Voltage to high or to low voltage on the teminals.

    2- Polarity, come flashes are wired with the positive terminal on the center pin of the connector and others are wired with the negative terminal on the center pin of the connector.

    Contact Pentax Support to find out the trigger voltage & polarity that works with you camera.

    Try this website: (www.botzilla.com/photo/strobeVolts.html) to find the trigger voltage of the studio flash that would not work with your camera or measure it your self if you have a voltmeter.

    Pete
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    20 May 2004 - 8:37 AM
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    The ist works on the Jessops Portaflash and Bowens system that I use. Maybe it is a reverse polarity thing. Was the system you used in the studio Courtenay? If so, I think redsnappa would probably be right with the polarity issue.

    nikspix
    20 May 2004 - 9:23 AM
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    Hey a real easy way to fire studio flash is with a dedicated flash set to MINUS 3 stops.I use this and it frees you from tha vagaries of the cables. I have found PC cables unreliable, they break and are hopelesss. Another way is to use an IR trigger sysem also no cords needed.

    sophiehw
    20 May 2004 - 12:05 PM
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    I've found that my Portaflash studio flash will not fire when it is placed on it's side! Right way up, it works fine.

    I haven't yet worked out if this is a fault or a 'feature'.

    ron tate
    20 May 2004 - 1:22 PM
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    You say it was OK for 50 shots, then it went off.A flash does not change its polarity after a number of shots. Most studio flash`s have a trigger button on the back, did you check to see if it would fire from these? Was the ready neon on?. It sounds like an intermittant fault most prob a cable.
    Sophiehw
    Again an intermittant fault or are you sure you are not covering the sensor when its on its side.
    Ron

    tezza
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    20 May 2004 - 3:46 PM
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    Thanks for all the info guys.

    Yes, it was one of the older Courtenay flash units that stopped working. Only thing that puzzles me is, if it is just a polarity issue, why did it work in the first place and then stop? I have also used these lights for years with other Pentax film cameras with no problems - so have they changed the polarity on their ist d?

    As Pete says, the one I tried it on when I got home was a Jessops Portaflash and seems fine (but I haven't hit the magic 50 yet...)

    As for the cable Ron, it could be but the same cables work fine on other cameras with the light that won't work...

    Maybe I should look at a IR trigger system as I find a small on camera flash doesn't always set the units off (depending upon where I am to them) ie the use of cables and I don't really want to spend out just yet on new lights, that's for a future date.

    Terry

    ron tate
    20 May 2004 - 6:22 PM
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    Hi
    Infra red is not required to trigger a studio flash. Infra Red is only required to receive a signal back to the camera to say how far the subject is. The internal on board flash of your camera is all that is required. If this does not trigger your flash you have a problem. If you are using full blown studio flash, the small addition of your on board flash will not make that much difference.
    RON

    Pete
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    20 May 2004 - 6:28 PM
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    Ron, the infrared that's been referred to is a flash trigger system using a transmitter on the camera and a receiver plugged into the studio flash socket.

    ron tate
    21 May 2004 - 5:51 AM
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    Hi
    Having never been into a pro`s studio I have not seen one of these all singing all dancing studio flash`s. My experience is with studio flash`s that have photo diodes as sensors on the back.Responding to any flash of light. I have made quite a few of these for plugging into the 1/4" jack on the back of cheapish studio flash`s.
    Always ready to learn Ron.

    ron tate
    21 May 2004 - 6:12 AM
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    Hi again
    What is IST?

    ron tate
    21 May 2004 - 6:14 AM
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    Hi again again.
    I guess it must be infra red something transmitter.
    Ron

    ron tate
    21 May 2004 - 6:19 AM
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    Hi again again.
    I guess it must be infra red something transmitter. i myself have a few Courtney studio flash`s with just the plain old photo diode on the back.
    Ron

    tezza
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    26 May 2004 - 8:41 AM
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    Ok.

    I took the batteries out of the camera over night but the next day there was no difference.

    I took the camera and the flash unit that wouldn't fire to the a 'flash shop' and the guy there couldn't understand all the different variations and why some work and some don't.

    Anyway, I purchased an IR trigger system, so now I can use all my flashes with no cables.

    I have also emailed Pentax and will update when I get a reply from them.

    Terry

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