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    digicammad
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    10 Feb 2012 - 2:19 PM
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    Although I freely admit to occasionally driving at over the motorway speed limit, conditions allowing, I stick to all other laws of the road and therefore having one of these in the car wouldn't bother me, particularly if I knew that it was either reducing my insurance or also in the cars of those idiots who currently annoy the hell out of me.

    One of the things about having a trip computer is that you can see how much your fuel consumption is effected by an increase from 70mph to 80mph, so I more often than not drive at 70 anyway these days.

    If a bit of big brother gets the uninsured and banned off the roads then I can live with that.

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    brian1208
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    10 Feb 2012 - 2:33 PM
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    I've already got one - she tells me she knows exactly how I should be driving! Tongue

    strawman
    10 Feb 2012 - 2:43 PM
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    We may be getting one of these, it helps to get insurance that covers teenagers. Also they look at the trends over a periods of time, normally monthly . So an emergency stop no issues if its now and then, if every tip has one then there's a good chance you are a factor. Also you get monitoring of speed related to road limit and cornering plus time of day, all vital items for young drivers. The one we are looking at has a decent rate but drive between 11pm and 5am and they charge £100 per day. Also if your driving is good you get a premium reduction after 3 months.

    But that would be to insure a car that he owns in his name where he works to pay for the insurance. Is it a bad thing to take the newly passed and under 21's off the road after 11pm at night. The stat's show that is when the boy racers will fill up the car to impress the mates and wrap it round a lamp post.

    Used well it is help.

    Carabosse
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    10 Feb 2012 - 2:46 PM
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    Not being a teenager, or anywhere near it, I have no interest in this. I am - in principle - opposed to Big Brother invasions of privacy and this sort of equipment will undoubtedly have the facility to record when and where you have travelled.

    Which, whilst it doesn't bother me specifically, could be information useful for more than just road safety purposes! Wink

    My granddaughter has one of these boxes fitted and it brought down the premium by £550! You can log onto the website, use your password/serial number and see what has been going on. If your indicator is in the green area, -O.K., amber you get warned about your terms, and red you get bumped for your extras on the premium.

    It suits me so I can stay in the house while she's driving! Wink

    I've had dealings with enough youngsters who aren't insured, to think it's a good idea.

    mohikan22
    10 Feb 2012 - 3:37 PM
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    how long before they can manipulate it with a computer? muchthe same as the ECU's. then a quick trip round ya mates and the ecu is back to normal for ya mot.... then back round after to tweak it again .. still i reckon as someone stated earlier (and me) more for a nanny state to see what ya doin and watch those fines roll in..

    ChrisTom
    10 Feb 2012 - 4:00 PM
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    Would be interesting to see the feed back report if I there was one fitted to my car.

    Car (Peugeot 3008) purchased new, mid October last year, (2011), total mileage to date, eighty six only.

    My insurance mileage limit per year is 6,000. I think I will be well within the limit. Wink


    Take care.

    Chris R.
    I. El. (Eng). (Rtd).

    KevSB
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    10 Feb 2012 - 4:13 PM
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    I believe they are common place in the us due to the claims culture that exists which is unfortunetly happening in this country more and more in relationship to motoring claims so I expect they will become much more common, The Staged Rear-End Collision gangs are exploiting this big time and anyone with one of these fitted is very much in the clear and will save them a fortune.
    Its one of the main reasons insurence has risen so dramaticly over the two years

    http://www.hilldickinson.com/client_services/insurance/netfoil/motor_insurance_fraud.aspx

    collywobles
    11 Feb 2012 - 10:41 AM
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    Quote: ...first move should be to confiscate the car.

    They can and do now using the ANPR - albeit only until the docs are brought up to date and they owner collects it from the pound.

    I think the ANPR system is one of the best things the police have now. I'm not sure exactly how many but there has been thousands of cars taken off the road using this system.

    PS: Anyone can check if their car is registered as insured by going to Check my car is insured .. sometimes insurance companies do not update files correctly or timely so make sure especially if you have just changed your car.

    Spy in the cab ? Have a look at Road Hawk which is being fitted to lorry fleets. An article in the Telegraph about 2 weeks ago mentioned this. I googled Road Hawk or RoadHawk, and there was some video footage of an artic being forced off the road by a car coming the incorrect way down a slip lane. Lorry driver exonerated of all blame, and lucky to get away with his life. Could not find out the cost of the equipment - video + speed, etc. so don't know what it would cost for a car owner.

    There is a lot of info presently collected by the EEC Module on the modern vehicles. Speed,Gear, Steering Angles, Throttle Position, Braking.

    Police cars in the immediate future (like the next couple years) will have equipment that will just plug into the EEC Module and get data relating to recent driving characteristics. Manufacturers are placing EEC's in easy to get at places within the instument panel to enable Police to easily access this info.

    mohikan22
    11 Feb 2012 - 4:00 PM
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    hmm im sorry sir you were speeding,
    No i wasnt...
    "plug in" yes you were! have a fine

    julesm
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    11 Feb 2012 - 7:49 PM
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    You cant measure safety by a number on the speedo. Most accidents are caused by other things entirely, but they are not easy to detect or measure, so no one is interesterd in them. The govt dont give a damn about road safety, like they dont give a damn about global warming, but if they can measure it, they can dish out fines. Ive worrked with the Ministry of Justice and the Criminal Justice system to know this.

    strawman
    11 Feb 2012 - 8:31 PM
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    Quote: You cant measure safety by a number on the speedo.

    Yes and no, you can make the call that 70mph in a built up area with lots of junctions and high population density is a decent risk factor. To be fairer these boxes look at other parameters such as the rate of acceleration and deceleration plus cornering forces and the actual location plus time of day. Those items are relevant. I can believe that for young drivers they represent a way of improving their driving.

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