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Swine Flu? What swines! ;-)


Carabosse e2
11 39.7k 269 England
15 Jan 2010 3:10AM
I have long been a sceptic of officially inspired health and other "panics".

But when the Daily Mail, of all papers, starts (apparently) taking much the same view........... well, maybe there is some hope, after all? Smile


Quote:So the Government, as the Daily Mail has revealed, is trying to get rid of 1billion-worth of unwanted swine flu vaccine - because the deadly epidemic they were promising us all last year never materialised.

Several things are shocking about this revelation, not least the charge by the Council of Europe's head of health that major drug companies might have leaned on the World Health Organisation (WHO) to stoke up last year's scare by warning that swine flu could be a worldwide 'pandemic' killing tens of millions.

Certainly, those companies have made vast fortunes out of selling the vaccines which, at our expense, are now having to be flogged off at give-away prices.



Full article here .


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StrayCat e2
10 15.5k 2 Canada
15 Jan 2010 5:55AM
Interesting. There was an article in the news here recently that the Canadian government is lending a huge amount of the vaccine to Mexico, but has insisted it be paid back.
15 Jan 2010 9:43AM
I dare say that now the snows gone, the media will suddenly report a rise in Swine Flu cases.....Me cynical, how very dare you!!
keith selmes 11 7.1k 1 United Kingdom
15 Jan 2010 2:04PM
I don't recollect anyone promising a deadly epidemic, nor any officially inspired panic.
The Mail is doing the easy work of putting up a false statement and chopping it down.
I wouldn't take their claims about vast fortunes or wasted money at face value either. The big problems seemed to be, getting the virus ready, and then ramping up production to a sufficient level with limited facilities. Meanwhile governemtns have had to choose whether to spend their limited budgets o nconventional seasonal flu treatments, ororder swine flu treatment instead - not a gamble I would like to face myself.
What we really have to my mind is a wake up call, that we're not really geared up for a serious pandemic.
Jestertheclown 6 6.6k 242 England
15 Jan 2010 2:14PM

Quote:I don't recollect anyone promising a deadly epidemic, nor any officially inspired panic.

Where did you spend last summer Keith?

Didn't you see any of the stories peddled by our MPs predicting deaths in their hundreds of thousands. There were to be so many bodies that normal methods of disposal would have been impossible so huge pits were to be dug and the deceased bulldozed into them.

If that wasn't a forecast of a deadly epidemic intended to officially inspire panic then I don't know what is!

Jester.
simont 10 2.2k 4 England
15 Jan 2010 2:31PM

Quote:The Mail is doing the easy work......


It would have been more believable had the Sun/Sport/Mirror reported it.

Wink
keith selmes 11 7.1k 1 United Kingdom
15 Jan 2010 5:28PM

Quote:Didn't you see any of the stories peddled by our MPs predicting deaths in their hundreds of thousands. There were to be so many bodies that normal methods of disposal would have been impossible so huge pits were to be dug and the deceased bulldozed into them.
No. I didn't see any garbage like that. I don't know where you'd go to find it.
I read things like the NHS websites, and the USA equivalent, the actual, official, government information supplied for the public.
They didn't say any of those things.
Jestertheclown 6 6.6k 242 England
15 Jan 2010 7:35PM

Quote:No. I didn't see any garbage like that. I don't know where you'd go to find it.
I read things like the NHS websites, and the USA equivalent, the actual, official, government information supplied for the public.
They didn't say any of those things.


It was in the news.
The news that the rest of us read and see on TV every day.
cambirder 10 7.2k England
15 Jan 2010 7:56PM

Quote:It was in the news.


How about a link or two then.
Jestertheclown 6 6.6k 242 England
15 Jan 2010 8:24PM

Quote:The Government is planning mass graves in the event of a deadly epidemic of swine flu in the winter, according to newspaper reports last night. Whitehall officials and council leaders met last month to discuss emergency plans, it was claimed.

The Times, August 19th. 2009
loweskid 13 2.0k 1 United Kingdom
15 Jan 2010 8:33PM

Quote:Quote:The Government is planning mass graves in the event of a deadly epidemic of swine flu in the winter, according to newspaper reports last night. Whitehall officials and council leaders met last month to discuss emergency plans, it was claimed. The Times, August 19th. 2009


"according to newspaper reports".... "it was claimed"..

Was there any references, sources or other hard evidence in that report then? Or was it just the usual scaremongering clap-trap dished out by the pathetic third-rate lie-sheets that pass for 'newspapers' in this country.
Jestertheclown 6 6.6k 242 England
15 Jan 2010 8:38PM
All I said was that it was reported in the newspapers.

And it was.
cambirder 10 7.2k England
15 Jan 2010 8:40PM
Well I can't find that particular story, but I did find the equivalent in the Mail, and its not reported in the way you put it earlier. I certainly can't find the bit about MP's peddling death warnings even in the DM Smile

As for the original point made by CB, I wonder what the reaction if the government had not prepared for the worst, and it happened. I think we would all be calling for blood by now.
Vince_S 5 10 England
15 Jan 2010 8:53PM
"Britain prepares for 65,000 deaths from swine flu"

Times on line July 17th 2009.

These were the figures quoted from the model used by the experts.

I am also a sceptic of Government "panics"

Vince
cambirder 10 7.2k England
15 Jan 2010 9:06PM
From the same article


Quote:The NHS has been told to plan for a worst-case scenario of 65,000 swine flu deaths this year.


Preparing for a WCS, is not the same as predicting that there WILL be 65,000 deaths as the headline suggests.

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