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ade_mcfade e2
10 15.1k 216 England
15 Aug 2010 8:10PM
Steve, that sounds like a great idea - maybe start a new group that does that?

with this group I was thinking that we write a series of quick bullet points, because that would distinguish it from the GC.

There's little point in having a group which serves the same function as the CG, is there?

If people want to write lots, then go for it - but I'll just be putting simple bullet points on things I think are wrong, and maybe expand here and there for clarity.

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ade_mcfade e2
10 15.1k 216 England
15 Aug 2010 8:12PM

Quote:I do think also though, that as Ade's said above, that we need to be sure to keep our more, shall we say "realistic" opinions within the confines of the group.


glad you agree - I've had a few "non group" shots have "group-like" comments. I found them quite amusing really, buy others may get really pissed off if they saw what was said on their own shots Smile
SteveCharles
12 2.3k 18 England
15 Aug 2010 10:25PM

Quote:maybe start a new group that does that?


Not sure what for, or if that's a genuine or snide comment.

It's your group. I'll just carry on using it as I am, seems to be working for me and most others.
ade_mcfade e2
10 15.1k 216 England
15 Aug 2010 10:32PM
Nah - not snide at all, it just seemed that you were after something different, more of a detailed critique area, so I was suggesting you could embrace the Groups thing to create something along those lines.

There's a mix of comments, people do seem to be drifting into more of a detailed critique than the bullet point idea, which is fair enough. Just don't want people to feel obliged to write lots.

It's working quite well though, don't you think?

Think people are picking up some good feedback
Jestertheclown 6 6.6k 242 England
15 Aug 2010 10:43PM

Quote:It's working quite well though, don't you think?

Think people are picking up some good feedback



Absolutely
and
Absolutely.
SteveCharles
12 2.3k 18 England
15 Aug 2010 10:48PM
I think it's working very well, it enticed me back to the site. I just want to help make it work usefully, which is probably why I jumped on your comment - apologies. I don't see the need for another group, I think there's room for both short and more detailed comments in this group.

I think when people are more comfortable with the approach, the comments could end up shorter and blunter anyway Wink
ade_mcfade e2
10 15.1k 216 England
15 Aug 2010 10:56PM
yeah - that's the risk of the longer comments, you do tend to end up with a more fluffy comment the more you write, so if everyone's doing that, we end up back full circle at comments that smell of the dreaded "nice pic" comment Wink

I'm going to upload a few that I liked,but bombed on EPZ...
f8 e2
11 9.2k 22 England
16 Aug 2010 12:34AM
I don't want the "nice" comment either,Tell it as it is,for me.
ade_mcfade e2
10 15.1k 216 England
16 Aug 2010 3:30PM
Come on kids - get some shots uploaded!

I put a dodgy one up (Perfect 10) to see what reaction it'd get - ouch, the group really does bite Wink

so it's doing its job!
brian1208 e2
11 10.6k 12 United Kingdom
16 Aug 2010 4:53PM

Quote:I don't want the "nice" comment either,Tell it as it is,for me.




Trouble is, unless you put a crap image up you are liable to receive a positive comment - but I suppose so long as its concise and has justification that's OK? Smile
steve_kershaw e2
9 2.3k 4 United Kingdom
16 Aug 2010 5:42PM

Quote:Trouble is, unless you put a crap image up you are liable to receive a positive comment
OK from now on if I like an image I will say so but call the photographer a fat to**er just to keep in the spirit of the threadWink
Paul Morgan e2
13 16.1k 6 England
16 Aug 2010 7:54PM

Quote:Trouble is, unless you put a crap image up you are liable to receive a positive comment


I hope not, I put one up and it got mixed reactions, that`s good in my book and leads to healthy debate.
ade_mcfade e2
10 15.1k 216 England
17 Aug 2010 12:22PM
Reading a lot of the critiques, I think people are drifting into the mode of saying

"I don't like this but I don't have any real reasons for this point of view"

I think this is really counter prodictive - it's exactly the same as saying "nice pic", but in reverse. I'm as guilty as anyone, I'm not finger pointing here

I'd far rather people took this approach...

1 - look at the shot
2 - find a flaw/issue and create a bulletpoint style comment
3 - go to 2 until you can't find any more flaws


If you actually like the shot, then maybe say that then move on...


But I can see this may end up descending into a something unpleasant if we don't keep the comments down to objective points about flaws in the shot.

Also... don't take the pi$$ out of sitters in portrait shots... it's the photography we're discussing, not the models Smile

Hope that makes sense and doesn't sound arsey, just wanting this to be a really useful group and to avoid it slipping
discreetphoton e2
10 3.5k 20 United Kingdom
17 Aug 2010 12:49PM
good post Ade.
Jestertheclown 6 6.6k 242 England
17 Aug 2010 1:41PM

Quote:Hope that makes sense and doesn't sound arsey

Fine by me Ade.

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