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    ade_mcfade
    ade_mcfade (Critique Team)
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    9 Mar 2011 - 1:21 AM
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    Discuss

    (it's a quote by Ernst Haas by the way)

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    ade_mcfade
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    9 Mar 2011 - 1:30 AM
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    the full quote

    The camera doesn’t make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE. – Ernst Haas

    This is like saying to a world class racing driver that it doesn't matter what car they drive.

    They will still produce world class results but a competitor with similar ability in a better car will ultimately produce a better result.

    Now as for being able to see an image and then reproduce it I think is the true skill of a photographer having an eye for it is something that cannot be learnt from reading books or receiving training from those who have, it can be developed but you are born with it.

    So the quote is true for most of us that even the worlds best camera will not make a photographer better but it will help a world class photographer produce better results.

    Paul Morgan
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    9 Mar 2011 - 2:32 AM
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    Quote: it can be developed but you are born with it

    What, a penis ?

    Being born with a particular talent is a myth.


    Quote: Now as for being able to see an image and then reproduce it I think is the true skill of a photographer

    Its a skill of a good technician and not necessarily a photographer. Anybody can pick up a camera and in a little time produce reasonable images, seeing beyond that lens is the stumbling block.


    Quote: The camera doesn’t make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE. – Ernst Haas

    Exactly Smile

    So why do top end cameras cost £20k plus ?

    It can't be just to satisfy the high end pro's ego.

    You are most certainly born with talent for whatever you find to be your calling and becoming a good technician is so very far away from true talent.

    You do have to be able to see past the lens but the quote is wrong because not all cameras can reproduce what you see in fact almost all cameras can't produce what you see because your brain tells you what you think you are seeing.

    digicammad
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    9 Mar 2011 - 8:32 AM
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    If you ignore the technical quality of the finished product then the quote is correct. The camera doesn't make a difference, it only records what you tell it to.

    What the camera does do is determine whether that image will have the focus, colour, depth of field, etc that you wanted when you took the photo. That's where the £20k is spent.

    Ian

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    9 Mar 2011 - 8:46 AM
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    Quote: The camera doesn’t make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE. – Ernst Haas

    This is so true.

    Yes, if you specialise in a subject you need the right equipment to do the job properly, but too many people seem to believe that spending a fortune on gear guarantees good results.

    There are people out there with very basic equipment who consistently produce stunning images because they have a good eye for a picture, they understand composition and the camera's controls and they have good processing skills.

    Perhaps some people would feel ashamed of being seen with a basic camera when out with their peers but even the most simple SLR these days is far more sophisticated than the best cameras of say 30 years ago. My old Olympus OM1 was about as basic as it gets - but it was great for learning the skills of how to take pictures.

    ade_mcfade
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    9 Mar 2011 - 8:57 AM
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    The brush doesn't make a difference to the outcome of the painting, its the artist's vision...

    digicammad
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    9 Mar 2011 - 9:02 AM
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    But a good quality brush will give you a technically better picture as there will be no hairs stuck in it. Smile

    kaybee
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    9 Mar 2011 - 9:08 AM
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    Given a level field it is true.

    Give 20 photographers the same make/model of disposable camera and see what comes back ............... it has to be down to the photographer and what he 'sees'
    (our club is trying it ......results next month so we will see)

    ade_mcfade
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    9 Mar 2011 - 9:09 AM
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    Which brush did Rembrandt favour?

    digicammad
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    9 Mar 2011 - 9:15 AM
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    I'm not disagreeing with you Ade. What I am trying (obviously not very well) to say is that you can take an absolutely brilliant photo on a disposable camera with a plastic lens. Brilliant that is in terms of creativity, impact, composition, etc.

    What you would struggle to do then is to produce a technically brilliant output. That is where the expensive kit wins. Another area it wins is giving you the tool to take those brilliant shots across a wide range of situations, such as low light, pouring rain, sub zero temperatures, fast moving subjects.

    Ultimately the photographer is technically limited by both equipment and their ability and creatively limited solely by their own ability.

    hobbo
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    9 Mar 2011 - 9:19 AM
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    This is yet another fascinating discussion:

    Because I am a great fan of Macro work...............I am also a member of the Photomacrography Forum..........Daily I see truly amazing results from a wide variety of equipment....especially with stacked shots..........from the basic.......slide the camera on a glass table-mat to the user who has paid a whole lot of dosh on Stackshot precision equipment:

    Likewise some use amazing DIY combinations of cardboard tube and reversed lenses...or.....can afford the amazing Canon MPE 65.................whereas others (like me) attach a cheap but well made RAYNOX 250 on a variety of lenses to achieve similar results:

    Some have the very latest of camera's...others....use Compacts and seem to have the ability to charm or hypnotise their insect/bug models:

    I use a crude DIY flash diffuser.reflector made from a plastic jug, cooking foil and kitchen paper...where others have paid a fortune for twin-boom macro-lights or a complicated Ring-Flash:

    I am beginning to think................that it................'aint the camera ......it is the bod looking through the viewfinder who creates an image:

    It strikes me that a little Lateral thinking can go a long way in photography:


    hobbo

    Coleslaw
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    9 Mar 2011 - 9:27 AM
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    I agree with Ian.
    Artistic output depends on the photographer.
    Technical output depends on both the equipment and photographer

    franken
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    9 Mar 2011 - 9:31 AM
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    I expect many of us can remember when we started photography. How many of us took photo's of people with trees or drainpipes growing out of the top of their heads?

    I can remember my photography tutor telling me that what the human eye sees is subjective. When we took images of people with trees or drain pipes growing out of their heads we only saw the people in the viewfinder and not the distractions. A camera records the entire scene.


    He was and still is correct!


    Ken

    Last Modified By franken at 9 Mar 2011 - 9:36 AM
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