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redstag
redstag e2 Member 8100 forum postsredstag vcard United Kingdom14 Constructive Critique Points
29 May 2008 - 9:11 AM

I am unsure about this function.
I understand the need to moderate it, however what criteria is being used? I would think if someone makes a comment that causes the photographer to reappraise their image and maybe even reprocess it, this makes a good critique.
I also wonder if people now feel a little intimidated about leaving any comment.

I am yet to be convinced.

Jon

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culturedcanvas
29 May 2008 - 9:17 AM

Doesnt bother me in the slightest. I think that the need to moderate it is actually not a bad idea ... but Im sure that many a good critique is being turned down on the basis of moderation .. i have marked a couple as being useful and then they have not been accepted.

Just because the comment is short or doesnt appear useful to the person approving the crit doesnt mean it wasnt useful to me !!

Helpful Post! This post was flagged as helpful
mattw
mattw  105189 forum posts United Kingdom10 Constructive Critique Points
29 May 2008 - 9:33 AM

From the FAQ. Hope this helps

redstag
redstag e2 Member 8100 forum postsredstag vcard United Kingdom14 Constructive Critique Points
29 May 2008 - 9:46 AM

Dan, you said it better than me! My point exactly.
Matt, I read that before starting the thread. I'm still not convinced.
Jon

Last Modified By redstag at 29 May 2008 - 9:47 AM
davidbailie
davidbailie e2 Member 10442 forum postsdavidbailie vcard United Kingdom5 Constructive Critique Points
29 May 2008 - 9:52 AM

the idea of someone else marking a comment on anothers portfolio as 'good critique' without a means of declaring who flagged the comment lays it open to abuse and making political points as opposed to genuine response - with all respect to the moderators they too can be equally culpable ??

db

Last Modified By davidbailie at 29 May 2008 - 9:53 AM
conrad
conrad  910873 forum posts116 Constructive Critique Points
29 May 2008 - 9:55 AM


Quote: Just because the comment is short or doesnt appear useful to the person approving the crit doesnt mean it wasnt useful to me !!

I think that a comment (now green) made about my latest upload proves that length or even completeness isn't necessarily taken into consideration.

answersonapostcard
answersonapostcard Site Moderator 1012527 forum postsanswersonapostcard vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
29 May 2008 - 9:56 AM


Quote: with all respect to the moderators they too can be equally culpable ??

Before anyone starts making assumptions, there are several team members able to deny and approve critique.


Quote: without a means of declaring who flagged the comment lays it open to abuse and making political points

The fact that it is anonymous actually helps relieve the potential of this.

Pete
Pete Site Moderator 1318433 forum postsPete vcard ePz Advertiser England96 Constructive Critique Points
29 May 2008 - 9:57 AM

It's just another subjective process that is open to criticism. It's not going to be perfect whichever way we do it so can we live with the way we've chosen. We believe it's an improvement on the current method used for voting on photos.

davidbailie
davidbailie e2 Member 10442 forum postsdavidbailie vcard United Kingdom5 Constructive Critique Points
29 May 2008 - 10:00 AM


Quote: The fact that it is anonymous actually helps relieve the potential of this

............well if you have the all facts that's ok then .......the fact is that I think what you're assuming as a fact is factualy incorrect ??


Quote: Before anyone starts making assumptions, there are several team members able to deny and approve critique

........... Not sure this answers the point.

db

Last Modified By davidbailie at 29 May 2008 - 10:05 AM
lobsterboy
lobsterboy Site Moderator 1014017 forum postslobsterboy vcard United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
29 May 2008 - 10:06 AM


Quote: Quote:The fact that it is anonymous actually helps relieve the potential of this............well if you have the all facts that's ok then .......the fact is that I think what you're assuming as a fact is factualy incorrect ??

db

I don't even begin to understand that post...any chance of a translation for those of us who are slow of thinking?

davidbailie
davidbailie e2 Member 10442 forum postsdavidbailie vcard United Kingdom5 Constructive Critique Points
29 May 2008 - 10:10 AM

........
Quote: any chance of a translation for those of us who are slow of thinking

the one thing I'm sure of is that you understand the point......... Smile

db

lobsterboy
lobsterboy Site Moderator 1014017 forum postslobsterboy vcard United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
29 May 2008 - 10:12 AM


Quote: the one thing I'm sure of is that you understand the point.

Nope - haven't got a scooby.

redstag
redstag e2 Member 8100 forum postsredstag vcard United Kingdom14 Constructive Critique Points
29 May 2008 - 10:15 AM

What flagged this issue to me, and has frankly annoyed me about the system is that I marked a comment as a good critique on my latest upload (Old Wardour's Treat) which appears to have been turned down. Yet that appraisal, referring me back to Matt's own experiments, made me look again at the shot and produce two variants.
Wooly made a similar comment more succinctly which I also marked up this morning and it was approved.
I like the idea behind the good critique flag, it could even be taken further with a good critique gallery, but surely where the photographer has flagged a good critique and then done mods as a result, the comment was obviously helpful.
It appears others have had similar frustrations.
Jon

culturedcanvas
29 May 2008 - 10:17 AM

The one thing I am sure of is that I'm no longer sure of anything ...

lobsterboy
lobsterboy Site Moderator 1014017 forum postslobsterboy vcard United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
29 May 2008 - 10:18 AM


Quote: The one thing I am sure of is that I'm no longer sure of anything ...

I think it's catching Wink

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