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puertouk
puertouk  31080 forum posts United Kingdom17 Constructive Critique Points
21 Feb 2013 - 11:11 PM

The evidence says they were arguing loudly for some time. I think she was going to leave him, as a bag was packed. He went beserk after she told him this, she then locked herself in the bathroom because she was frightened. He threatened her to come out of the bathroom and when she told him she wouldn't and that she was going to call the police, he opened fire and killed her. He then battered the door down with the cricket bat and found her lying on the bathroom floor dead. They should stand him against a wall and shoot him! He's a cold blooded killer.

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brian1208
brian1208 e2 Member 1110366 forum postsbrian1208 vcard United Kingdom12 Constructive Critique Points
21 Feb 2013 - 11:14 PM


Quote: The evidence says they were arguing loudly for some time. I think she was going to leave him, as a bag was packed. He went beserk after she told him this, she then locked herself in the bathroom because she was frightened. He threatened her to come out of the bathroom and when she told him she wouldn't and that she was going to call the police, he opened fire and killed her. He then battered the door down with the cricket bat and found her lying on the bathroom floor dead. They should stand him against a wall and shoot him! He's a cold blooded killer.

I guess he will be glad that you won't be on the Jury then, since you have clearly decided the outcome of the case before the trial Grin

StrayCat
StrayCat e2 Member 1014920 forum postsStrayCat vcard Canada2 Constructive Critique Points
22 Feb 2013 - 3:11 AM

Some of us have pure, primordial feelings within at times, usually brought on in my case by one person's complete disregard for the lives of others. It's good that our justice systems move slowly, there's a bit less emotion involved. I think many of us see an injustice about to unfold in this case, and it turns our stomachs. Brian, what we are all stating on here is our opinion, of course, to which we are all entitled. A fair trial, yes, 100%, but will it happen, will the girl's death be brushed off as a mistake, an accident, or will justice be served? They don't have much of a track record in that country, no pun intended.

Last Modified By StrayCat at 22 Feb 2013 - 3:12 AM
lobsterboy
lobsterboy Site Moderator 1014170 forum postslobsterboy vcard United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
22 Feb 2013 - 5:52 AM


Quote: I guess he will be glad that you won't be on the Jury then, since you have clearly decided the outcome of the case before the trial

Mind you, neither will anyone else. They dont have jury trials in SA.

brian1208
brian1208 e2 Member 1110366 forum postsbrian1208 vcard United Kingdom12 Constructive Critique Points
22 Feb 2013 - 6:31 AM


Quote: They dont have jury trials in SA

I learn something new every day Chris.

On that basis I guess he doesn't stand a chance

lobsterboy
lobsterboy Site Moderator 1014170 forum postslobsterboy vcard United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
22 Feb 2013 - 6:49 AM

Don't know Brian - maybe Judges would be less swayed by outside influences than jurors ?

brian1208
brian1208 e2 Member 1110366 forum postsbrian1208 vcard United Kingdom12 Constructive Critique Points
22 Feb 2013 - 7:13 AM

No idea myself Chris if truth be told - as Denny said above, just a gut feeling that the trial decision will not be made in court

Last Modified By brian1208 at 22 Feb 2013 - 7:13 AM
collywobles
22 Feb 2013 - 9:09 AM

The one thing that stands out in all this for me is the SA justice system. A murder trial without a jury, a court that is just short a rugby scrum, release of evidence before a trial -- if I ever get in trouble (which I wont) I'm glad I live in the UK with its justice system.............

User_Removed
22 Feb 2013 - 11:27 AM

In the UK though your guilt is decided by amateurs who take notice of what the media and rumour say and may not be veyr professional when it comes to their own prejudices about race or sexual orientation. Judging by some things I've seen you say in this forum I don't think many people would want you as their juror... Wink

lemmy
lemmy  71940 forum posts United Kingdom
22 Feb 2013 - 1:11 PM


Quote: I'm glad I live in the UK with its justice system

Yes, I'd hate my fate to be in the hands of people who didn't know the meaning of the words 'reasonable' or 'doubt' and thought they might be able to make their decision based on factors not discussed in court and of which they had no evidence for or against.

In the light of that, I would either judge him not guilty because he is a sporting hero or guilty because he is white. I have the coin ready to spin and I await the call from the South African authorities.

mikehit
mikehit  56687 forum posts United Kingdom11 Constructive Critique Points
22 Feb 2013 - 1:25 PM

The worrying thing about that case is that at least the jury had the nerve to ask the questions - I would be amazed if jury members did not use the same judgements without expressing them.

If you want juries, that is what you will end up with. The only other option is the inqusitorial system in some other countries where it is all down to magistrates or judges.

arhb
arhb e2 Member 72328 forum postsarhb vcard United Kingdom68 Constructive Critique Points
22 Feb 2013 - 2:03 PM

Lucky that there is absolutely zero to report news-wise in the UK, given the amount of air time BBC news 24 are giving to this farce.

lemmy
lemmy  71940 forum posts United Kingdom
22 Feb 2013 - 2:20 PM


Quote: given the amount of air time BBC news 24 are giving to this farce.

I'm not sure I'd describe a world renowned Olympic sports star who has shot his girl friend 4 times as a farce.

lobsterboy
lobsterboy Site Moderator 1014170 forum postslobsterboy vcard United Kingdom13 Constructive Critique Points
22 Feb 2013 - 2:33 PM

When the story first broke the BBC ended up talking to a local journalist, he was an absolute joy to watch his delivery was "fact, fact, fact,..." such a refreshing change from the reporters the BBC seems to prefer with their endless speculation and asking people how they feel.

arhb
arhb e2 Member 72328 forum postsarhb vcard United Kingdom68 Constructive Critique Points
22 Feb 2013 - 3:08 PM


Quote: given the amount of air time BBC news 24 are giving to this farce.

I'm not sure I'd describe a world renowned Olympic sports star who has shot his girl friend 4 times as a farce.

I do Smile

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