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Quote: As an aside, I wonder if there's any chance of changing the title of this thread, oh moderators?
Yes good point...I've made it more factual
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Quote: That remark makes sense so long as you know nothing about entertainment and TV production. Even someone making a YouTube video knows that you cannot show 'real life' as it happens. Hours of video has to be edited unless viewers are prepared to watch a program lasting days. In the editing choices have to be made. Already it is not truth, even if everyone could agree what truth was
There is still a difference though, you can:
1. go out discover what is happening and then represent what you believe to be happening to the best of your ability
2. make up a story, then go out and find "the facts" to fit it.
Usually most journalism falls in to category 2..because its easier.
Just trying to be controversial:
How do we know which side of the story is completely true?
Quote: How do we know which side of the story is completely true?
Does it really matter? It showed us what can go wrong, so if anyone is entering into the market as a professional doing similar stuff. They'd already know to sort out a good name, makes sure they didn't over staff, make sure they sent out the right message, make sure they engaged with the customers in a positive way and make sure they present their work and diversify. Educationally there was a lot to take from this.
It also gave the business superb exposure...and showed that the two photographers had talent and were able to take on board feedback no matter how bad it made them look at the start.
If you were a business man investing in the business you may need to know which side portrays the truth. If you're a consumer you can see they're capable of turning out impressive photography as long as the price is right you won't care whether the girls are idle, the business is making a loss or the mother doesn't know how to manage a team. It's all immaterial - you just want a first class photo at a decent price...and I'm convinced they can do that.
yes it does, as everyone now seems to say one side is telling the truth and the other side is not completely truth.
But what is truth?
Quote: Yes it does, as everyone now seems to say one side is telling the truth and the other side is not completely truth.
But what is truth?
The truth is , a struggling business has managed to gain momentum by using a TV show as a vehicle, the TV also thought they were using the struggling studio to gain viewers , seems like a win win really !
Quote: Does it really matter? It showed us what can go wrong, so if anyone is entering into the market as a professional doing similar stuff
I had a look at the program, followed the link, quite educational for those thinking of going into the industry I would have thought.
I worked for a studio for a bit back in the Eighties, its not an industry I would want to get into, especially at this current time.
Even back then it was hard work, portraits were the bread and butter stuff, but they also covered weddings, events, all sorts, and they also had a successful picture framing service attached to the studio, every little helped.
I do think the advice the show gave the viewers was quite good. Just a shame I was portrayed as something I'm not. Still - it is win, win!
I like the new name of the thread!
Talk of what is true and what's not. Who's telling the truth and who isn't. There was one out and out lie in our program. Some is lying by omission and rest is exaggeration. I don't think Emma or I have bent the truth. Not having a go at anyone by the way. I completely understand the views here.
It's true we thought it would be good publicity for our business and we also thought we would get lots of wonderful advice. We didn't really think we would be made to look foolish, lazy and stupid. We thought that the people on the other program's were really like that! Mainly because we didn't think the truth would be bent as much as it was. Now we know the truth ill never be able to watch a program like this again. I'll be thinking to myself 'ah they've been all told to just 'look at Alex' 'look at Andy' 'now everyone look at Rachel'. When they edit the film they'll put in the one time one of them is looking bored at all the reruns of looking at each other and make out that they are bored with something that their mum or Alex has said.
I'm jaded now! Lol
Quote: Yep.............. no such thing as bad publicity, they say.
For anyone who watched the first 30min and then switched off, then yes... But even if the 'journey' was trumped up in editing, by the end of the show you were putting on a very interesting exhibition, with some lovely looking prints, displayed well, and satisfied customers telling the camera how happy they were.... so no all bad.
Best of luck for the future.
Quote: We thought that the people on the other program's were really like that!
I've never, ever thought that her programs portrayed anyone as stupid. Misguided sometimes, obstinate sometimes but that's people. I think you are too close to it all to see it from anyone else's point of view. Entertaining TV, though.
But it's over now. You say you got some advantage and advice from it. Be happy, stop looking at the negative. You seem overly concerned with other people's impressions. I don't know you, if the program had given me negative thoughts about you (it didn't), why should you care? Your friends and family know the truth.
In the end, the program has been around a long time. You had an opportunity to see what you were letting yourself in for and you made a decision to go ahead. Time to stop complaining and put regrets behind you. Or you may need to call her in again
Out of interest Andy.
What is the purpose of you going to Focus on Monday, do you have a stand or are you just going as punters? Are you selling your photography services or are you going to talk to fellow photographers?
I will be at Focus on Monday.
We always go to Focus and originally we were just going for the heck of it and to interview the various societies. I want Rachel to work towards her licentiate so we want to find the best one. We also like to check out new products i.e. frames, albums etc and to catch some demos. However Photomart have contacted me and I think they're going to introduce us to people. I suspect we might be put on their stand as curiosity items. LOL Perhaps we'll meet.
Neither MPA nor BIPP will be at FOCUS. You'll be able to talk to SWPP or RPS.
If you need more business, pay a visit to the CLICK stand and have a chat with Charlie Kaufman.
I'm not sure LRPS will be beneficially significant. Lots of us have done that and it's more for hobbyists IMHO. You'd be better going the BIPP route if you're going into business. But others may have better suggestions.
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