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Pete
Pete Site Moderator 1318434 forum postsPete vcard ePz Advertiser England96 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 4:15 PM


Quote: I don't think membership should be reserved for people who have x number of awards, but photographers who show a good level of technical and/or artistic flair, ie not with portfolios consisting of poor snapshots.

It could easily be added but what would it do for those in that "zone" I know many who wouldn't be in it would feel alienated and upset. So the advantage for those in it would have to be very good. What would you gain?
There's a Pentax site...run by Pentax. members post trying to get in there and a few pics get accepted there's no explanation why and it's not easy. Once you're in your photo appears and that's about it.

If I accepted you to this elite group which I can safely say you would be...what would be different. How would you get your fix?

Also looking to the future. If you're in this new gallery would you go into the main gallery and comment or just hang around with your new "elite" friends? How then would newcomers who arent up to that standard yet (a bit like many of those who'd be introduced to the new gallery when they started out on ePHOTOzine. Get the necessary feedback needed to help them improve?

I'm not knocking the idea I just think it could be a new level of complexity that might cause more problems.

Anyone else got views about a "by invitation" gallery.

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NEWMANP
NEWMANP e2 Member 61583 forum postsNEWMANP vcard United Kingdom574 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 4:17 PM

well i did have but it just got passed over,

in fact what did i just say previously
Phil

going_digital
20 Dec 2010 - 4:18 PM

I should probably add that reputation points would not only be a good idea in the forum but on the comments in the gallery, if people post useful critique on peoples images the person uploading it could mark the comment as helpful and that would add to their reputation.

Pete
Pete Site Moderator 1318434 forum postsPete vcard ePz Advertiser England96 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 4:21 PM


Quote: what about election to a higher league gallery by application and assessment of a panel of work in the same way the RPS would use. the selection could be selected from members balloted and elected by the membership.

the same criteria as either the RPS or PAGB could be adopted. you could choose your specialist subject in which to apply your aplication.

this one new gallery section would answer most peoples demands and would be more democratic

Who would this panel be? The PA gallery had every opportunity to become this but for whatever reason failed. Selected pros who people respected didn't have the time to devote to it. Many of the volunteers had different opinions, many members left or became disheartened because they didn't respect the panel it was quite a headache to balance the desires/requests/upsets of the members and panel - more so than running with the existing HC EC process which is why I went back to that.

Paul Morgan
Paul Morgan e2 Member 1314963 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 4:21 PM


Quote: I don't know how it would work to be honest. I just think that EPZ needs a higher tier

I don`t know about a higher tier that would pretty much spit and kill the community, and screening members would be a terrible idea.

miptog
miptog  83532 forum posts United Kingdom61 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 4:22 PM

The Hamlet to Town and EPZ growing too big, compared to its earlier life is very valid, as is all the aspects associated with a smaller community of the past, and the early members who were trying to help get the site established. That friendly, supportive, almost mentored ethos has very much been diluted. The galleries, which once served as aspirational, and also served as a guide to great photography has also been greatly diluted by too many ordinary photos and the social aspects of the site, which impact the photographic aspects. It can also been quite easy to get into bad practice, through well meaning comments by less experienced photographers. One site I know of has a screening process, whereby uploaded images are independently assessed before being allowed to be published to the galleries. If the image is not considered as being of a quality to be published it can be submitted for critique and resubmitted for published. Perhaps something similar could be useful for EPZ in the future. There is a lot of very useful information and some exceptional quality photography on EPZ, the problem seems to be to readily get too it in a meaningful way.

keithh
keithh  1022805 forum posts Wallis and Futuna29 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 4:23 PM

I think one problem is actually the same problem as hard copy magazines, in that after a time everything comes around again and again. Very similar questions appear in the forums (which have slowed down activity wise in the last 18 months) and so many photo's crop up in the galleries from the same place, similar styles, subject matter etc.
How do you freshen it up? Right now I personally don't know but one thing I would like to see is some prominent editorial comment. Something to make people think, something to get your teeth into. Some of the recent tips pages - the food one springs to mind - didn't really give anything when it comes to photographing food and read more like a sponsored way of generating more text for google than giving people anything significant.

Pete
Pete Site Moderator 1318434 forum postsPete vcard ePz Advertiser England96 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 4:25 PM


Quote: well i did have but it just got passed over,

in fact what did i just say previously

I'm playing catch up. I read a chunk and then spend time writing a response so I think I've caught up with you now sorry if it looked like I'd not listened,. I answered in my next post.

Geraint
Geraint  7715 forum posts Wales34 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 4:28 PM

I suppose I would get my fix by sharing space with good photographers, and giving and receiving comments and critique with people who would appreciate this. Those who were not quite there yet to be accepted would need to improve in order to gain membership - (it would be good motivation). When I first joined I wanted to create b&w portraits as strong as sugarbird's, studio portraits as strong as Shawry's, or street shots as well-considered as Koen's. I studied their work and tried to learn to do work as good as theirs. A new gallery could give this to EPZ members who are keen to learn rather than just socialize. A new gallery would make me more active on EPZ, which in turn would mean that I comment more on the general gallery too. This should be expected from members of this 'elite' group - a way of giving something back.

NEWMANP
NEWMANP e2 Member 61583 forum postsNEWMANP vcard United Kingdom574 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 4:28 PM

i think you missed the point Pete.

i mean anyone wishing to be in the higher league gallery had to be approved on the basis of a sumbitted panel of work on one off basis. this panel to be approved by a team of 4 or 6. commenting in the new gallery would be no different to the other but it wouldnt be quite so busy with dozens an hour being uploaded

new applications only to be looked at once a month.

you have a working critique team, why not a submissions panel of 4

i dont think it would be hard to find 4 solid photographers and members of this site who would help. ill ask around by pm if you are interested. infact you could have a couple of panels to take in specialist subjects in the submissions
Phil

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Pete
Pete Site Moderator 1318434 forum postsPete vcard ePz Advertiser England96 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 4:33 PM

Ah got you...hmmm that's an interesting way, but wouldn't the new gallery mean that those who choose to go in it would ignore the regular gallery so newbies would have no chance of getting help?

Quote:
A new gallery would make me more active on EPZ, which in turn would mean that I comment more on the general gallery too.


But would you "waste time" in the regular gallery when you could be gaining from the new gallery?


Would the pictures appear in the normal gallery like they do currently with critique? But with a filter to view the "elite members' work" work.

As Ade pointed out earlier with mention of the flash group that encourage people to share photos and discuss ideas. In much the way you indicate the new gallery would work. They group features aren't busy is that because the pictures need to appear in the main gallery as suggested elsewhere?

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simont
simont  102248 forum posts England4 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 4:36 PM

So if you are in "The Higher League Gallery" and the qualitity of you images falls, can you be religated back "The Lower League Gallery" along with the rest of us?

And then spit your dummy out and flounce off?

Geraint
Geraint  7715 forum posts Wales34 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 4:38 PM

I think it should be a separate gallery. I can only speak for myself here, but I would be willing to spend time in the main gallery as well as the new gallery.

going_digital
20 Dec 2010 - 4:39 PM

Not convinced that a separate gallery has any merit, just another layer of complexity to the site.

Geraint
Geraint  7715 forum posts Wales34 Constructive Critique Points
20 Dec 2010 - 4:39 PM


Quote: So if you are in "The Higher League Gallery" and the qualitity of you images falls, can you be religated back "The Lower League Gallery" along with the rest of us?

And then spit your dummy out and flounce off?

Which is why I wonder why I bothered to come back and comment here....

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