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Wasted talent

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strawman 11 22.0k 16 United Kingdom
20 Dec 2010 4:41PM
One thing that helped motivate me recently, not on site but in a mag, was seeing a body of work developing a theme. For example advanced Photographer and the work of one photographer on panoramas which were more than just landscapes, and to be honest it was fun having a go myself. Is there a way of doing that, like the topics of the day, but less frequent and more in-depth where a member of the site picks a topic to get people started.

But perhaps that is just what you envisaged groups for.

P.S Do not get too downhearted as such topics always generate a lot of negative feedback.

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simont 10 2.2k 4 England
20 Dec 2010 4:41PM

Quote:Which is why I wonder why I bothered to come back and comment here....


It was meant as a genuine question!
NEWMANP e2
6 1.6k 574 United Kingdom
20 Dec 2010 4:41PM
i dont see it as an elite gallery, just a progression from being a beginner.
and i sure would not want to keep out of the main gallery to assist and bring on others where possible.

my concern is that you have masters lost among endless shots many of which are not really hobby photography at all. a good many of which are uploaded by newcomers who are never seen again
Phil
Pete e2
13 18.7k 96 England
20 Dec 2010 4:42PM

Quote:So if you are in "The Higher League Gallery" and the qualitity of you images falls, can you be religated back "The Lower League Gallery" along with the rest of us?

And then spit your dummy out and flounce off?



Quote:Which is why I wonder why I bothered to come back and comment here....

It's a valid point and does need consideration. A long time ago (2003ish) there was a pro on site who I respected, and I would have placed in the highest bracket on our site, and then over a number of years the quality started to fall, and the amount of average pictures clicked on and commented on increased. That person turned from being among the best to quite poor. What would happen to them?
Paul Morgan e2
13 16.1k 6 England
20 Dec 2010 4:42PM

Quote:But would you "waste time" in the regular gallery when you could be gaining from the new gallery?


Apart from an even bigger ego, what else would there be to gain.
Geraint 8 715 34 Wales
20 Dec 2010 4:46PM

Quote:That person turned from being among the best to quite poor. What would happen to them?


Then I don't see any reason why that person can't be 'relegated'. The purpose would be to uphold artistic or technical merits. I don't see this as anything to do with egos. I see it as a way for people to continue learning.
Pete e2
13 18.7k 96 England
20 Dec 2010 4:47PM
I do believe there's something it just needs careful thought. Many of the suggestions so far have excellent positive aspects but equally come with elements that would have a huge negative impact. Ideally we need something that has little negative impact. I'm not even sure that's possible but happy to bounce the ideas around no matter how off the wall.
miptog 9 3.5k 61 United Kingdom
20 Dec 2010 4:51PM

Quote:Many of the suggestions so far have excellent positive aspects but equally come with elements that would have a huge negative impact. Ideally we need something that has little negative impact.


It depends on how you position and communicate it. e.g is the Bottle half full or half empty Smile
ade_mcfade e2
10 15.1k 216 England
20 Dec 2010 4:53PM
2 tiers eh?

Geraint - How about trialling it by creating an invite-only group and inviting people you'd like to see in an elite group? Explain to them what you're doing and why and I'm sure people will join in.

Actually... can others "see" groups they're no a member of? If they can't, this will not work.

Just an idea - but it's essentially doing (nearly) exactly what you're on about..

Up for it? Smile
Pete e2
13 18.7k 96 England
20 Dec 2010 4:53PM

Quote:It depends on how you position and communicate it. e.g is the Bottle half full or half empty

Well I hope you know on ePHOTOzine my glass has usually been full and over-brimming...but it soon gets emptied! I've always been quick to refill but after a while...
Geraint 8 715 34 Wales
20 Dec 2010 4:55PM
Ade, I think it needs to be separate from the groups - more radical. Many members it seems don't buy into the groups as it stands.
ade_mcfade e2
10 15.1k 216 England
20 Dec 2010 4:56PM
I'll just add....

if you can't be bothered sending out invites, you can create a "moderated" group where people apply to join, but you can turn them down or accept them.... a more risky path I'd say, if you turn people down, you'll have an unhappy bunny to deal with!
theorderingone 10 2.4k United Kingdom
20 Dec 2010 4:56PM
For me there's a few things that reduce my motivation to contribute, besides me having very little spare time these days. The main ones being:

- Often when I try to help, either in the forums, or in the galleries, my suggestions are ignored or I get flamed for making them. I find the general rule of thumb is that people ignore feedback that isn't positive and ignore advice that isn't waht they wanted to hear in the first place.

- When I post images of my own I know their popularity and quality of comments will largely be dictated by the subject matter, rather than photographic merit.

I suppose these are human nature and there isn't much you can do about it. I do still contribute to threads where I think I can help when I have the time.
ade_mcfade e2
10 15.1k 216 England
20 Dec 2010 4:57PM

Quote:Ade, I think it needs to be separate from the groups - more radical. Many members it seems don't buy into the groups as it stands.


I'm not saying this is a solution, rather a "test", an experiment to see whether your idea would work.

Nothing to lose by doing it
Pete e2
13 18.7k 96 England
20 Dec 2010 5:21PM

Quote:Geraint - How about trialling it by creating an invite-only group and inviting people you'd like to see in an elite group? Explain to them what you're doing and why and I'm sure people will join in.

It's a great idea, but with my already half emptied glass I can see it won't become busy and useful unless the person who starts it does a fair bit of work to get it going. The motivation needs to be there.
Steve Hart one of our better fashion pros had the same issue earlier in the year. So I suggested he started a group. He did (in the members area at the time) and did do a bit of work to get it going but the results didn't come quick enough so I guess he gave up.
I suspect a new "elite" gallery may go the same way. What we had in the old days was a group of people (who many can remember) who did have the time to spend nurturing newbies while enjoying their own efforts. We don't seem to have that mentality these days, but we do have the space, opportunities to create whatever is required. We just need to be sure it has an overall positive not negative impact which seems to be the way the groups have been received. having said that a few groups are doing really well. But it does rely on having leaders with passion.