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Quote: And the minus points, of video tearing and auto gain problems and time delay and sensor heating, the items that lead to problems as you move to action photography etc
John have you tried EVF`s in low light for action/sports photography, for me its become a huge plus, not a negative.
Hi Paul A55 is the last EVF camera I tried and I found it difficult for use when panning, so if you are trying to track a subject round and take more than one shot I found it an issue. Re Low light if its low enough to not be hand held then its on the tripod so I can use the LCD if I want to have an alternative. If I can hand hold I have no problem with the optical finder.
But the above will vary person to person. I had a chat to an optician whilst having an eye test and he has to calibrate the peripheral vision test machine to the subjects eyes. Apparently we have different levels of sensitivity.
But I guess part of it is I just like the optical finder, in the way that some people like rangefinders etc. As long as we have a choice its fine.
Quote: You can see what the image is going to look like (e.g. exposure, WYSIWYG)
Bit of an exaggeration that one - water won't look smokey, you don't see traffic trails, what you see isn't necessarily what you get.
It has advantage over optical in that respect but not to the extent of WYSIWYG
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Quote: Bit of an exaggeration that one - water won't look smokey, you don't see traffic trails, what you see isn't necessarily what you get.
It has advantage over optical in that respect but not to the extent of WYSIWYG
I did say "e.g. exposure". I like the fact that I can take night photographs with an EVF and I can get the exposure right - I just set the camera in manual and adjust the exposure until it looks right in the EVF. With a DSLR I have to basically guess and usually take a lot of photos in case I'm wrong.
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If your post had not been so wrong and so long it would have been a snappier reply 
Quote: I just set the camera in manual and adjust the exposure until it looks right in the EVF. With a DSLR I have to basically guess and usually take a lot of photos in case I'm wrong.
If it is that dark that the in-camera metering is that inaccurate then you can do the same on the LCD display. And if its that dark you will be using a tripod so the LCD is a lot more convenient than an EVF.
Quote: Hi Paul A55 is the last EVF camera I tried and I found it difficult for use when panning
For motor sports panning could pose a few problems, depending on speed the screen refresh rate could be a little slow.
I do a lot of martial arts, working close with lensbabys, often as close as 3`, lots of neck and head movements, lens feathering and lots of dancing around on you feet to keep pace, the EVF worked well.
On the overhand I could have used a fast focusing DSLR, a long fast lens and sat about 30` away, but most of that lot gave up in the poorly lit venue.
Paul that shows why I am glad we have a choice, because we all like to work in different ways and on different topics, so what suits one person does not the other. The worst situation is where you are given no choice (if it does not match your desire). I also try birds in flight and there I want to track with ease and fire off one shot at the moment I want.
Quote: The worst situation is where you are given no choice
Yes I agree and understand that EVF`s will not be for everybody no matter how good they are.
I often wonder how professional sports and wildlife filmmakers get on using EVF`s they seem to get by some how.
Good question Paul. From what I have seen there are different techniques. One of the things I have seen about photography is some adapt to a limitation and make a feature of it, others fight till they get what they wanted.
Do those people use the same technique of panning?
I suspect that some of those who like optical viewfinders don't remember how inferior the optical viewfinders of today are compared with those in the pre-AF days.
I seem to remember that the viewfinder on my Canon A1 had three separate focusing aids built into it. Now I really would like that facility back again.
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To be honest I find it easier to focus on my modern DSLR because it does not have those focusing aids and the screen is brighter than much of the area. yes the splits help with fast lenses but I like the plain screens. Just been comparing an 80's SLR to my 40D. The film camera has a bigger viewfinder, but only the central spot is bright.
I still feel detracted from the shooting process when using EVFs. I think it's because you're looking at something, rather than through it.
Quote: I still feel detracted from the shooting process when using EVFs. I think it's because you're looking at something, rather than through it.
Don't understand that comment.
What is the difference between looking at the image in an EVF compared to looking at the ground glass screen of an optical viewfinder?
I agree that looking at the LCD on the back of a camera body is different from both the above.
Quote: I suspect that some of those who like optical viewfinders don't remember how inferior the optical viewfinders of today are compared with those in the pre-AF days.
I still use them. I haven't used any kind of VF that didn't have advantages and disadvantages, but that does include EVF.
The main reasons I have for using an EVF camera are the smaller size and weight, and video. And on some cameras, the EVF and/or LCD rotates, which is pretty useful sometimes, in situations where a DSLR would be a problem.
As always, horses for courses.
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What is the difference between looking at the image in an EVF compared to looking at the ground glass screen of an optical viewfinder?
I agree that looking at the LCD on the back of a camera body is different from both the above.
I think a lot of people think that the OVF gives them a 3D image, whereas, like you say, it's just an image projected onto a flat screen. There is a greater dynamic range in the OVF image and there's no lag in the display, of course, but EVFs are good enough now IMO in most situations.
But I still think that Sony have been a few years premature in consigning the reflex mirror to the dustbin of history - there's a decade or so left in the old dog.
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