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Simple as the title. Please no stories! I want facts and experiences Please! Sick of going round and round.
Which Package set-up for a Wedding Photographer.
back up body is a 40d with 70-200 Tamrom
soon to upgrade to 70-200 Canon - maybe f4
Pick a below Package and explain Why please?
Price difference is not much £367 ! (that's fine either way)
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24-70 f2.8 L (brand New) With 5d mk1 Body (second/hand)
£1,933
OR
24-105 f4 L (brand new) with 5d mk2 Body (brand new)
£2,300
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I think you're putting the horse before the cart. You can get great pictures from any lens if you know how to use it correctly. The technology you choose isn't the issue, but understanding the business you want to get into first is critical to any chance of success.
So forget buying additional bodies and lenses on credit, and find a way to get yourself experience in your choosen market, work on the communication skills needed to build the relationship with your clients, and look at your local business link site for information about setting up and running a business first.
Quote: I think you're putting the horse before the cart. You can get great pictures from any lens if you know how to use it correctly. The technology you choose isn't the issue, but understanding the business you want to get into first is critical to any chance of success.
So forget buying additional bodies and lenses on credit, and find a way to get yourself experience in your choosen market, work on the communication skills needed to build the relationship with your clients, and look at your local business link site for information about setting up and running a business first.
VERY, VERY, VERY well said. Sensible advice that should be followed.
I shoot with two 5D mk1 bodies, and a selection of lenses. Personally I'd go for the 24-70 option, the extra reach of the 24-105 isn't worth it, and an extra stop over IS is much better considering how dark many places can be.
Also, you may want to visit DWF, they have a student section, you may learn a few valuable things from there...
LensYews : Your a Good man, thank you for the sound advice.
I have checked on my University website for photography courses or something along them lines, this is what I found.
Digital Photography Course: 25 weeks online and short project hand in.
-Understanding the features of your equipment
-Understanding the techniques ISO, DOF, AP, AF, and many more..
Then it goes on to state other features of the course, I think I'm going to sign up for this, as it'll help with my understand.
I think Im looking at this all wrong, as the way I see it, correct me if im wrong. Im sure you will. 
My understanding is,
5d mk2 better body then 5d mk1. = better images
24-70 better lens than 24-105
but 24-105 on mk2 is better than
24-70 on a mk1 !
but I think there's more to it than this. To put it simply guys, is there an answer?
I was in your shoes not all that very long ago (five years give-or-take...).
I just used what I had and what I could afford. Back then, it was two x D70s's and one strobe. Then, I went off to find out how to start a small business - there are many organisations which will help - go google.
When I got the necessary funding (at no small personal cost) I bought the right kit for the job. This was after four years of admittedly, mostly theoretical photographic education.
+1 on mattwaggie's link - been there a few years and there's no better place to discuss the ins and outs of the wedding photography business, but grow yourself a thick skin.....
To be fair, I think they are correct in telling you to ignore the kit for now. For training and learning a 40D is fine. Lets be honest go back @ 5 to 6 years and lots of wedding pro's were using the 10D/20D, and the 40D. also by the time you are ready, no doubt there will be a later and greater camera etc.
Next why look for a wedding photography course in your local university. Just go to google and type in wedding photography course and you get hundreds to choose from.
you could try some of the specialised portrait and wedding organisations to see what courses they run and advise.
And for everyone setting up in business, it is essential to get some of the setting up and running a business advice. that so many start ups fail is no coincidence.
It strikes me that there is money to be made from weddings, but only with the correct offering. It also strikes me that there are a lot of beer money type of wedding photographers.
also remember plenty of people try turning their hobby into a business and find that its just another job, plus they have lost the pleasure.
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Next why look for a wedding photography course in your local university. Just go to google and type in wedding photography course and you get hundreds to choose from.
Because you can't beat getting into a shonky studio with 12 other students and getting down and dirty with lights, gobos, ideas and inspiration. That's never gonna happen online.
Mattwaggie, I might just do that, as no point jumping into deep end !
good thing now is, anyone who I work for know my ability of work produced, mainly I'm a backup guy doing my own shots, which is good as I don't have pressure to perform etc... But I think I need that little bit extra boost of knowledge to understand what Im working with, and what can be achieved.
Thanks Matt
Guys I agree, I am actually a Student teacher, but since using my 40d, Ive fallen in love with photography, I did my friends weddings and they had a Pro in, I was just doing my own thing, but I enjoyed.. and actually produced some nice shots.
Anyways, Im a wiz on Photoshop, lol so that also helps I guess..
Ok people, thanks for input.
If the Question was still asked.
24-70 on a second hand mk1
or 24-105 on a mk2 ....????
mmmm.... interesting, so far only One person has said, 24-70 on mk1 over 24-105 on mk2, although mk2 blasts the mk1 !!! !!
I was thinking of course you attend Jim perhaps a few equivalent to this
Perhaps the best way is to search this site for feedback on suitable courses.
I started with a Canon 400d and 18-55mm kit lens which I was convinced was no good and threw in a drawer after a bought a new lens, until I saw picture published in a magazine using the same basic dlsr and kit lens that was miles beyond what I had been able to achieve with it, and that's when I realised I was looking at it the wrong way.
I can't comment on those cameras or lenses with authority as I've not used any of them. I do know that I have a couple of Canon L lenses that I'm only getting about half of their capability out of at the moment, once I've mastered them I might look at the 24-70.
A course would be good, but also try the articles and tutorials here on ephotozine as well. There is a depth of knowledge here in the Techniques area. Try the
ePHOTOzine Photography Academy articles as they will cover much the same basic information as your university course's underlying techniques.
Quote: mmmm.... interesting, so far only One person has said, 24-70 on mk1 over 24-105 on mk2, although mk2 blasts the mk1 !!! !!
Does it for what you are going to do? For photo's of up to A3 and up to @ ISO1600 I would wonder if you could tell. and regardless, the bigger thing to pick up is skill.
Having assisted and watched a couple of wedding photographers, I would say forget cameras for the moment. you have what you need to practice. And when you are ready you will know what you need.
The fact you are posting these questions indicates that you are not ready. So save yourself money and pain and forget kit. In fact if you end up assisting another tog, there is often logic in you having the same kit as them. Easy for spares etc.
Me I am at Beer money level, so I will duck out of giving advice, apart from to say you should find out more about the art of wedding photography and what is required before you spend.
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