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I'm doing an editorial fashion project, and wondered which program I could use to design the layout?
I've only really used photoshop, and dont know much about the other adobe programs that might be useful,
or if there is a freeware program that will do the job as well?
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InDesign is just about the best program out there. Or QuarkXpress.
They're pro level page layout programs and if your going to be dealing with printers, these are the ones to use.
Thanks Gary - I've just been looking at InDesign, after googling much the same question I asked here.
I think I need to read up a bit, maybe look at some beginner tutorials, and try a month trial with it.
I might be sometime
I'm pretty expert in InDesign but for a recent photobook, which didn't have a lot of text, I used Photoshop to lay out the spreads.
Text handling in InDesign CS6 is streets ahead of Photoshop. I used Lynda.com tutorials to learn how to use it. You'll probably hate the way it deals with drop shadows etc if you're used to doing that with lots of layers in Photoshop.
What's the approx text to picture ratio for a typical page of your project? If it's just odd captions do the layout in PS
Thanks for your input Chris -
I would say the ratio is going to be between 1:4 and 1:2.
As this project is likely to take at least a year to get the images I want to use for it,
it will give me plenty of time to learn InDesign.
Be prepared for a PM or two Chris!
When I am doing multi-image spreads I always use Photoshop with each image on its own layer. Photobook software is (in my experience) limited in this area.
Thanks Ian - do you incorporate any text within photoshop, or use different s/ware for the text?
I came accross this page layout software review -
PagePlus seems to do pretty well - anyone used that?
If you're going to learn PagePlus you may as well learn InDesign (and I don't mind the PMs). ID integrates better with other CS software - useful being able to copy and paste layers (and .psd files) between PS and ID.
If you can, just stick with Photoshop. PS CS6 handles text better than previous versions (plus the introduction of Paragraph Text a few versions back was a huge help, learn to use it)
I've used both programs in the past month for similar size projects.
I did a photobook recently in Photoshop by creating double page spreads 6543 pixels by 2551 and having pics and text on layers, got it printed for g/f for Xmas and she loves it (shrunk example of one of the pages here)
I did a spoof brochure for a friend's home gym using InDesign (pdf here)
You can see that I could have swapped programs and got pretty much the same results. However I wanted pdf output for gym thing but only needed jpg output for the photobook.
Where Photoshop isn't as flexible is when you move and resize text boxes (text doesn't reformat automatically in the same way as it does in DTP software). Also PDF and PrePress output support is nowhere near as comprehensive as it is in InDesign.
InDesign will drive you mad at first though because you have to do some things differently to the way you're used to doing them in Photoshop, eg you'll drag a box corner expecting that box to resize (as a Photoshop layer would), instead it just reveals more or less of the content. You soon get used to it though.
I have incorporated text using PS, though not paragraphs of the stuff. I use CS2 and can't honestly say I have ever cursed the text handling.
I used PagePlus this year to create my calendar, using pages created in PS, but that was mainly because I needed to output as a PDF and my version of PS doesn't do that.
Nice PDF Chris, I remember seeing the photobook example recently when you were enquiring about the stroke tool in layer styles.
I'm almost sold on the InDesign as text is going to play a significant part,
and I like the idea of using programs that integrate.
Thanks again for the advice
Quote: I have incorporated text using PS, though not paragraphs of the stuff
Yes, that to me is precisely where the key differences start to appear.
Some great tutorials on YouTube, who needs to subscribe to Lynda.com when there's these for free
If there are significant amounts of text then I agree PS is not your friend. If you already have InDesign that would be the way to go, if not then PagePlus is cheap and, although not integrated with PS, pretty good. You could do all your images in PS, import them to PP and overlay the text. The PDF output options are good and it also supports cmyk.
You never did say what final output is going to be? Notice in my pdf that I linked to that you can zoom as much as you want without text becoming pixelated. That kind of vector output can be important for print but not for screen.
Ultimately Chris, it will be a book, if all goes according to plan.
Definitely use proper DTP software. You need to know about things like page creep (notice how there's less space on inner pages in many books and magazines) you might need to generate a table of contents, you might need to change paragraph styles (fonts, justification etc) bookwide with one click. Look in many books and magazines and you'll see that the letter f followed by the letter i isn't displayed as fi but by a combined character which is more readable, proper DTP software gives you fine control of all that kind of thing
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