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    Hi all

    I own and use 2 different systems, one is a Nikon D5000 with a Nikon 18-105 lens fitted and my other is a Olympus E-620 with a 14-54 F/2.8 fitted. They both take superb pictures.

    The Nikon lenses are large and bulky due to the IS and are not that cheap if you want a good performing one.

    So I have a body stabilized Olympus and a lens stabilized Nikon. Not all Nikon lenses are stabilized where as it does not matter on the Olympus. To build up a system with several extra lenses, which system would you choose, In camera IS: Olympus, Pentax, Sony, or lens based IS: Canon, Nikon, Panasonic?

    Any views on this.

    Pete

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    NEWDIGIT
    15 Dec 2011 - 9:19 AM
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    This is a very personal decision, there is no definitive answer.
    Personally I would stick with Nikon or that other mob C*****, as they both have the widest range of lenses and accesories.

    I don't think it would be a factor in my system choice. There are advantages/disadvantages to each IS system - BTW, in-lens IS doesn't really make a lens significantly more bulky. If I were buying a system now I'd go for Micro 4/3 and get a Panasonic - mainly because Panasonic have a decent built-in EVF. I think FF and APS-C are larger formats than necessary for most people now given the advances in sensor technology. They're legacy systems and if you don't have any legacy lenses there's no reason for an amateur to buy such a large format. UNLESS you find that you can't get the lenses you want of course. That's still a bit of a problem at the moment - no long telephotos for a start.

    LeftForum
    15 Dec 2011 - 10:34 AM
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    Similarly, I don't think that the IS system would be a factor in my choice between those two marques (if I was starting from scratch). The most modern dSLRs have such good high-ISO performance that low shutter speeds (with concomitant risk of camera shake) are much less necessary nowadays, except in those situations where we deliberately choose slow shutters - and IS would not be used in those situations anyway most of the time.

    Like so much on modern cameras, IS/VR/OS is a bit of a gimmick that most of us, after being lured by the advertising hype, leave switched off most of the time anyway, I suspect. Very often the downside outweighs any possible upside.

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    Last Modified By LeftForum at 15 Dec 2011 - 10:35 AM
    thewilliam
    15 Dec 2011 - 10:44 AM
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    Take a look through your favouite pix and count up how many were done with each camera system. Expand whichever system gave you the most peaches.

    Thanks every one

    I must admit that the Panny G series and lenses is a very attractive system. The lenses are pretty decent and the range is expanding with 2 new zooms expected next year.

    I might just trade in for the Panasonic, any suggestions, G2, G3 etc ?

    Pete

    G3 looks the best value. The GH2 is due to be replaced soon but it's more expensive because it's got better video features.

    If you want to use the camera for video it's true to say that in-lens IS is preferable. The moving sensor method uses a lot of power, makes a noise, and also generates heat. I think - someone please correct me if I'm wrong - that the Sony A77 uses digital (software) IS when in movie mode, for this reason, which is not ideal.

    Thanks Stepp,

    I'm a stills man through and through. The image quality of both my D5000 and E-620 is superb but they are a bit bulky and heavy, the D5000 being more so. On the one hand, the Pentax system attracts me because the lenses are a tad lighter and less bulky plus there is a reasonable range to choose from. On the other hand, so does the Oly for the same reasons. The Panasonic G3 seems like a good bet and several review sites gave it top marks. So, the movie side of the equation is irrelevant. The Olympus E cameras are now discontinued with I think just the E-5 being still available, but its too expensive for my budget, also is it worth making a system round a discontinued line?
    I'm interested in your observation of the moving sensor systems being more noisy, Hmmm, I need to research that.

    Cheers

    Pete


    Quote: I'm interested in your observation of the moving sensor systems being more noisy, Hmmm, I need to research that.



    You can hear it, just. The thing is that on a stills photo the sensor only begins moving when you press the shutter and it stops when the photo is taken - at least that's the way it works on Sony stuff, Olympus may be different. So the actual time it's activated is small. You can hear it if you set a long exposure though.

    Now you mention it, there is a small vibrating sound from my Oly, the sensor really vibrates when you switch it off.

    I have taken many pictures on my 620 with the 14-54 and the IS off and they were still pin sharp.

    I guess unless you are shooting at realy slow shutter speeds or using a very long lens, IS is not so crucial. We had a saying in my 35-mm days, anything less than 125 th of a second, stick it on a tripod or if you were an experienced photographer, you might just get away hand held at a 60 th. Its factors like these that will go towards my choice of body or lens IS.

    I think the general rule of thumb is that you can hand hold provided the shutter speed is equal or less than 1/(35mm equiv lens focal length). So for a 300mm lens on a 1.5 crop camera would be OK at 1/450 sec or faster. IS gains you between 2 and 4 stops (depending on who you believe) so, if it's 4 stops, you can hand hold a 300mm at about 1/100 sec. So IS allows you to use, say, ISO800 rather than ISO3200 which is a significant advantage. IS isn't much use on short lenses as you say - it should in theory help when you use very slow shutter speeds but in my experience it doesn't seem to work very well at slow speeds.

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