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Why I don't want photography classed as art ..

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monstersnowman
20 May 2013 - 3:22 PM

Some interesting points but gone off my basic point which wasnt the validity of art or whether photography is art or what constitutes art etc etc etc etc just that once it is immersed in the art world it seems to me to be ever more inevitably drawn toward the ridiculous and pointless (in my opinion pointless of course). Chimpanzee photography being an indication of this. And just because something is a craft it doesnt need to be just 'wedding photography' as mentioned.


Quote: For me the banner of ART is indeed a forward step to the future of photography and sets apart the talented from the multitude

- not sure how being classed as art seperates anything from anything in terms of talent. I go to many art exhibitions and see some pretty poor dross and see some wonderful pieces of work from amazingly talented craftspeople .. in my opinion of course :o)

Ultimately I guess whether it is art or craft makes no difference to people doing it but as an accepted art form (which there is no reason it shouldnt be) it does mean we see these ridiculous concepts that I personally dislike and consider purile and vacuous, that dont really have a place in things considered as 'craft'. Each to their own I guess. Im off to strap my Ipad to the dog and see what he can produce for the Tate. Wink

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mikehit
mikehit  56531 forum posts United Kingdom10 Constructive Critique Points
20 May 2013 - 3:29 PM


Quote: it does mean we see these ridiculous concepts that I personally dislike and consider purile and vacuous, that dont really have a place in things considered as 'craft'

At what point did this start?
As far as I am aware the use and abuse of photography to create the weird and the wonderful (and the downright hideous) has been going on almost since the first photographs were taken. I don't think it needs the label of 'art' for this: that label is simply used to justify a ridiculous price in the auction room.

monstersnowman
20 May 2013 - 3:34 PM

I am sure the boundaries of photography have been pushed but everyone presumably has a line and mine is mindless chimpanzee photography .. I think this is an indication of things to come and not something I personally have seen the likes of previously in photographic history and not what I want to see more of personally. The key here being the photographer handing his camera to an animal. Im sure someone will google some mad old photographer doing something crazy though.

mikehit
mikehit  56531 forum posts United Kingdom10 Constructive Critique Points
20 May 2013 - 3:46 PM


Quote: The key here being the photographer handing his camera to an animal.

I don't see this as any different to giving a camera to a two year old human. The difference I do see is that they then have the cheek to put it up for sale at ludicrous prices and talk as if the monkey 'composed' the image.


Of course they will claim it is 'ironic':

Quote: the work plays on “the notions of art and it’s value,” and that “the artists questioned the role of the human race and the relevance and exclusivity of artistic talent.”

Pure pretentious bovine defacation, no different to putting urinal on a wall in a gallery.

mikehit
mikehit  56531 forum posts United Kingdom10 Constructive Critique Points
20 May 2013 - 3:47 PM

PS: Maybe that urinal is the very place that these pictures and the camera are meant to be placed? Smile

monstersnowman
20 May 2013 - 3:48 PM

Well we agree then mike ..

cattyal
cattyal e2 Member 96064 forum postscattyal vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
20 May 2013 - 3:48 PM

Oh that reminds me - I'm supposed to knock up an Artist Statement sometime - a visit to THIS SITE will do the job nicely Smile

capto
capto e2 Member 21173 forum postscapto vcard United Kingdom6 Constructive Critique Points
20 May 2013 - 3:52 PM

The wonderful thing about photography is it can be all things to all people. Just wear the hat that suits your mood.

hobbo
hobbo e2 Member 3800 forum postshobbo vcard England2 Constructive Critique Points
20 May 2013 - 4:24 PM

Personally, if I am shooting insects or bugs in Macro, then P&P is kept to a minimum for the specialist forum, that takes Skill.....Likewise, if I am taking run of the mill family and general photographs they are a straight record......but......

.......if I get the urge to be a bit creative, both in taking a shot or later after P&P it might develop into into what most folk would consider to be Art.

I just enjoy my Photography without getting bogged down in what it might be.

Hobbo

paulcookphotography

I only mentioned wedding photlgraphers as many almost stereotypically refuse to acknowledge artistic or creative photography (even when you point out examples of it in their own portfolios).

Anyway, photography has been recognised as art for many years, so I'm not really sure what you are trying to achieve

monstersnowman
20 May 2013 - 5:51 PM

I'm not trying to achieve anything Paul .. Not sure why you think posting a topic or opinion means you necessarily have any wish to make a difference or achieve anything.

paulcookphotography

Given the title of your topic, i'd suggest otherwise.

Saying you dont think photography is art (for an example) is one thing, but saying you don't want it classed as art generally means you would like to achieve that. A bit like saying 'i dont like red cars' v 'i dont want cars to be available in red'. Two very different statements

monstersnowman
20 May 2013 - 6:37 PM

Thanks for suggesting to me what I think and mean Paul - what would I do without you? It seems some people on here would have a disagreement in an empty room ... It gets very tedious.

Just to clarify for you ... I neither want or need photography to be classed as art. It is though and I have no wish to try to change it or indeed achieve anything else from this post. And for the record I think the chimpanzee photography thing is pointless and ludicrous along with the accompanying comments in the article describing it as an 'important piece of work' etc .. Is that ok Paul? If I meant something else Paul please advise me so I can change it. Wink

KevSB
KevSB  101407 forum posts United Kingdom5 Constructive Critique Points
20 May 2013 - 6:48 PM


Quote: I just enjoy my Photography without getting bogged down in what it might be.

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kaybee
kaybee  103830 forum posts Scotland24 Constructive Critique Points
20 May 2013 - 7:08 PM

So The Thinker, The Mona Lisa and the such should not be classed as art but as a skill?

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