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X-rite Colourmunki Photo or Datacolor Spyder Studio 4


Nikian 2 5
6 Feb 2014 6:29PM
Help is Needed please,
I would like to buy a Monitor/Printer calibrator, I have read reviews good and bad on two the Colourmunki Photo and Spyder Studio 4.
And now you have guessed it, my brain has now been fried and I'm totally confused to which is the better.

So now I'm going to ask the question to all you experienced photographers who are using one or both of the above to which one and why.

I have an Epson R3000 Printer plus a Dell Monitor, now I would like to take my Photography to another level and print my images.

Looking forward to your reply's.

Thanking you in advance

Ian.

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Paul Morgan e2
13 16.1k 6 England
6 Feb 2014 7:09PM
The basic spyder and colormunky kits start from as little as 70, but if your looking at calibrating a printer as well it gets a whole lot dearer.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/X-Rite-CMUNPH-ColorMunki-Photo/dp/B00169N0BK/ref=sr_1_2?s=software&ie=UTF8&qid=1391713713&sr=1-2&keywords=colormunki
Nikian 2 5
6 Feb 2014 7:48PM
Hi Paul,

Thank you for replying, but I'm looking at profiling my papers and Ink creating a ICC profile for that paper.
Also calibrating my monitor.

My maximum is about 400 to spend on the calibrating Kit, I have seen different price deals.

My problem is I don't know which is the better one Colourmunki Photo or the Spyder Studio 4.
crookymonsta e2
6 704 10 England
6 Feb 2014 8:09PM
We tried a Colormunki and were never happy with the results, now a friend brings his Spyder round and problem solved.
Railcam 8 483 Scotland
6 Feb 2014 8:23PM
Not sure it helps. I have a Colormunki and, after calibrating my monitor and producing bespoke profiles for my printer, my prints now match the screen so it works for me.

Good luck in your quest for the answer.
Keith
Nikian 2 5
6 Feb 2014 8:45PM

Quote:We tried a Colormunki and were never happy with the results, now a friend brings his Spyder round and problem solved.


Hi Crookymonsta,

What was the problem about the Colourmunki and what is good about the Spyder?
Nikian 2 5
6 Feb 2014 9:01PM

Quote:Not sure it helps. I have a Colormunki and, after calibrating my monitor and producing bespoke profiles for my printer, my prints now match the screen so it works for me. Good luck in your quest for the answer.Keith


Hi Keith,
Your monitor do you calibrate in the advance mode? Printer do you find the 100 patches for profiling enough? Is yours a colourmunki Photo?
MGJ 6 168 5
6 Feb 2014 10:50PM
Colour munki works perfectly - fast too which the earlier Spyder was not. Do I find the 100 patches enough? No idea never counted, never worried. It works fine.

Limitation. When you do a new profile, I find that profile may need correcting if you do a pic which is predominantly one colour. Knowing that, I started doing a test print loading the pic I was about to do for analysis, which solved the problem. (That was only for something critical and to fine tune a decent result). Once one has tweaked a profile once or maybe twice, its pretty well set. I haven't changed the profiles for the Epson R2400 in a couple of years.

The P50 I have redone, but I use compatibles in that, and in any case the rendition with that is not not nearly as good as the 2400 - mind you that's a 9 ink system.
Railcam 8 483 Scotland
7 Feb 2014 9:20AM

Quote:Hi Keith,
Your monitor do you calibrate in the advance mode? Printer do you find the 100 patches for profiling enough? Is yours a colourmunki Photo?



My monitor (an old Sony, 19" 4:3 aspect) is calibrated in the "simple" mode. It made a tremendous difference when I first did such it that I have never used the "advanced" mode. I recalibrate it every 4 weeks.

The printer profiling did exactly as it should so I think the 100 patches (2 x 50) are enough. I have two printers, an old Canon Pixma iP4000 (A4 dye printer) and a Pixma iP9500 Pro Mkll (pigment A3). The prints from both match and match to the screen, allowing for the fact that prints are reflected light and the screen is transmitted light.

It took me a while to decide to get a profiling device and the Colormunki Photo has not disappointed me. Purely my personal experience so I am sure others will disagree.

Keith
Nikian 2 5
7 Feb 2014 7:23PM

Quote:Colour munki works perfectly - fast too which the earlier Spyder was not. Do I find the 100 patches enough? No idea never counted, never worried. It works fine.

Limitation. When you do a new profile, I find that profile may need correcting if you do a pic which is predominantly one colour. Knowing that, I started doing a test print loading the pic I was about to do for analysis, which solved the problem. (That was only for something critical and to fine tune a decent result). Once one has tweaked a profile once or maybe twice, its pretty well set. I haven't changed the profiles for the Epson R2400 in a couple of years.

The P50 I have redone, but I use compatibles in that, and in any case the rendition with that is not not nearly as good as the 2400 - mind you that's a 9 ink system.


Quote:Hi Keith,
Your monitor do you calibrate in the advance mode? Printer do you find the 100 patches for profiling enough? Is yours a colourmunki Photo?

My monitor (an old Sony, 19" 4:3 aspect) is calibrated in the "simple" mode. It made a tremendous difference when I first did such it that I have never used the "advanced" mode. I recalibrate it every 4 weeks.

The printer profiling did exactly as it should so I think the 100 patches (2 x 50) are enough. I have two printers, an old Canon Pixma iP4000 (A4 dye printer) and a Pixma iP9500 Pro Mkll (pigment A3). The prints from both match and match to the screen, allowing for the fact that prints are reflected light and the screen is transmitted light.

It took me a while to decide to get a profiling device and the Colormunki Photo has not disappointed me. Purely my personal experience so I am sure others will disagree.

Keith



Thank You MGJ, for your input to my question.

Thank you Keith, for coming back and explaining more to me on how you use your colourmunki Photo.

Roll on Photography Show, you both have given me more confidence on buying the colourmunki photo

Ian
Paul Morgan e2
13 16.1k 6 England
7 Feb 2014 10:15PM

Quote:We tried a Colormunki and were never happy with the results, now a friend brings his Spyder round and problem solved.


But did your problem not turn out to be software or a driver or something ?
GlennH 9 1.9k 1 France
8 Feb 2014 9:31AM
A spectrophotometer (e.g. CM Photo) is theoretically a better device for profiling prints, whilst a good colorimeter will likely have the edge for monitors. The former is probably better as an all-in-one solution, though the CM Photo tests very poorly for monitor calibration accuracy on Dry Creek (one of the few websites to compare devices). Best way is to buy it and see if it works for you; few products are as unreliably reviewed on the internet as calibration devices.
Paul Morgan e2
13 16.1k 6 England
9 Feb 2014 3:34AM

Quote:Hi Paul,

Thank you for replying, but I'm looking at profiling my papers and Ink creating a ICC profile for that paper.
Also calibrating my monitor.

My maximum is about 400 to spend on the calibrating Kit, I have seen different price deals.

My problem is I don't know which is the better one Colourmunki Photo or the Spyder Studio 4.



Sorry but I can`t tell you what is better, I posed a similar question about a month ago, but I was only looking at calibrating my screen, I have no interest in printing at home.

I was looking for something to replace my 8 year old spyder, in the end I went for a colormunki display.

If your budget is 400, I`d have a look at the colormunki photo, you could also add a colorchecker passport and it will all still be in budget.

So you will be able to build camera profiles, printer profiles and calibrate your screens, all at the same time, all for 376 (Amazon prices)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/X-Rite-CMUNPH-ColorMunki-Photo/dp/B00169N0BK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1391916228&sr=8-3&keywords=colormunki

Check out youtube, there are loads of tutorials.









paddyman 5 66 United Kingdom
11 Feb 2014 8:59AM
Hi Ian.
I have a the same set up has you, printer r3000 using Epsom inks dell monitor, and various papers.
Last year I bought the colourmunki photo at the focus show.
I bought this has I will be moving to Australia and will not have the guy who was calibrating my equipment
using an eye one?
Since getting this and using it I have found that I am getting excellent results at a reasonable cost,
I believe I paid somewhere around 250 show price.

Alec.
Chris_H 11 1.5k 1
11 Feb 2014 7:49PM
Hi Ian,

What papers are you looking at using? If it was me I would probably just go for a monitor calibration such as the Spyder 4 pro and not bother with the printing. If you are using manufactures such as Permajet or Fotospeed papers then they offer free custom profiles for their papers. You just print out the charts, send them to them in the post and they create a custom profile on much better equipment costing thousands of pounds. They then email you the profile.

This will give you a much better profile than the colormunki ones.

Chris

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