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I was talking to a work colleague last night about the Manchester Day Parade. I told I told that I had taken around two hundred images and by the time I sorted them out I would have about a fifty to eighty usable shots. He looked at me and said You're cr*p out of two hundred shoots you only get only fifty shots. I explained it is just the way it is in photography. Once you edit your shots you do lose quite a lot. Your thoughts please.
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Quote: Your thoughts please
Depends how critical of your own work you are, I suppose.
Presumably you're not using film then!
Quote: Presumably you're not using film then!
Recently I have been using mainly film. Just one roll of film, be it 36 exp 35mm or 12 on one 120.
Last week I took my 30D out with me instead - I came back with 464 images on the card.
So I guess you must be right, Ivan!!!
However, I shall use practically all of them, being long shots and close up detail shots of the machines seen and examined by me on the day.
When I get around to editing them all, that is..!!!!!
I reckoned that if I only took 5 minutes on each image it would take me something like 38 hours to complete the task!
The answer is that I only work on the image when I want to use it somewhere and leave the original image stored as was from the camera. This way the image is left to be re-worked how I may want it to be in the future.
When I first got my A100 I went through an initial phase of taking hundreds of pics at events (over 600 in one day at one event)
I'd then spend hours sorting/editing them. (Ruddy waste of what time I have left )
I am now being sensible and using digital more like film, in other words being selective about what I take. Last week in Cornwall I only took about 250 pics all week.
Makes life a lot simpler.
The particular event that I photographed occurs only once in one year - so I guess that that amortises to about 1.27 images per day.
Last night I probably took over 60 exposures (probably nearer 100) with the hope of getting probably 5 - 6 'keepers'. Thats not to say I wasted my time, but rather I had the opportunity to act, review, reflect, plan and to act again in order to refine the composition and exposure. To me the non-keepers are not examples of poor photography, rather they represent part of a process to get the exact shot I want. They represent an essential part of my development of the image, and to me one of the real strengths to digital. I just couldn't afford to do this with film, and just because I use a digital process to get my image rather than doing it first time with film doesn't make me cr*p.
50 - 80 over 200 shots = 25 - 40%. That's to me is a lot.
Normally over 4GB (120 shots), I would be lucky if I get over 5 shots that I am happy with. And before you say it, yes, I am cr*p....
Quote: I had taken around two hundred images and by the time I sorted them out I would have about a fifty to eighty usable shots.
All that means is the non keepers are not as good as the keepers, If you have very high standards I'd say that ratio is about right, Unless you have shares in a hard drive company, You really have to be " Ruthless " with what gets to be a keeper and what does not.
I'm a bit of an experimental nut, So quite often stuff gets binned because the experiment did not come out as expected, Or I just hated the resluts, What you bin is as subjective as the stuff you keep......
Most of the time.....
At the moment it's 50 -80 . It will change each time I review the images. Again today a least another ten will go tomorrow who knows.
If you want to obtain the infinite quality in your pics then the mathematical probability is that you would need to shoot an infinite number of exposures over an infinite period of time.
Most of us don't have that luxury(?) so it comes down to what you deem acceptable as a compromise.
We all set our own standards.
Quote: I would be lucky if I get over 5 shots that I am happy with. And before you say it, yes, I am cr*p....
No arguments there then
A lot will depend on the event. But if I get just one image I'm happy with then to me its a success. I can spend an age fine tuning composition, exposure, filtration, waiting for "the light" etc, etc each step uses up images.
I'm working on a project at the moment - to date I've probably made 200 exposures and still not come up with what I'm looking for - and that doesn't include those on the camera back I delete.
I've literally just started using the star rating feature on Capture One V5 (2 days ago in fact) and that's an interesting excercise
I shot some rock climbers last night and went through the shots rating them out of 5
probably about 5 to 10 out of 100 got a 5
the climbers were all interested in the shots and took cards - so should I be rating the shots on what I think is a good photo (based on my artisitic appraisal) or which would be most likely to sell, based on things like position of people on the rocks.
I showed a climber a shot I loved, it was him resting, i.e. dangling off the rope with his feet on the rock and arms folded... he hated it because it didn't show him "climbing"
potential clients have very different views on things
As you know, Ade, it's the difference in shooting for them and just shooting for yourself.
I guess the thing to do is to shoot a variety of pics covering most of the possibilities, unless you have a specific brief.
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