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Does a black and white photograph have a relationship/connection with the past?

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    immo
    immo 
    16 Jan 2014 - 6:30 PM

    Hi all,

    just intrigued to hear your thoughts on black and white photography - wether it has a connection with history? For example when i look at a photograph in black and white, it reminds me of the past, regardless of the subject matter. I wanted to know if others had the same feeling?

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    779HOB
    779HOB  21018 forum posts United Kingdom
    16 Jan 2014 - 7:05 PM

    Doesn't make me think of the past unless it's an image taken in the past. I don't know why I like it but I do and I prefer it to color. I've never been able to explain why I like it more.

    altitude50
    altitude50  101755 forum posts United Kingdom
    16 Jan 2014 - 7:20 PM

    Could it be because of black and white cinematography? Generally speaking, feature films and documentaries made in b/w have a 'feeling' of a past age and the ones made up to the 1950's and 60's obviously had earlier subjects and characters unless they were 'science fiction'. The mono science fiction ones had a style of their own too (Flash Gordon etc.)!Smile

    In the last few days I watched Carol Reed's 'The Third Man', a black and white film, and the lighting and cinematography were of very high quality and quite different from the way a current colour film is lit and shot. (In my opinion.)

    KenTaylor
    KenTaylor e2 Member 92980 forum postsKenTaylor vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
    16 Jan 2014 - 7:32 PM

    From the days of its invention B&W photography has been popular despite the days when colour came on the scene. Apart from the digital mono model from Leica, all cameras now start from colour that may influence the concept that B&W is indeed a step backwards.

    Its a steep learning curve to be able to see in B&W before you employ the camera from where the post processing takes over that again requires care with the tones, texture and shapes.

    The impact a B&W image has relies and concentrates on the texture,tones and shapes removing the distraction of colour.
    For most it may well appear to be historic while my experience with those that look at a B&W image is they spend more time viewing it.

    sherlob
    sherlob e2 Member 82313 forum postssherlob vcard United Kingdom125 Constructive Critique Points
    16 Jan 2014 - 7:34 PM

    No. Neither do i prefer mono over colour or vice versa - albeit for some images i find only one option works. For me B&W (or perhaps more "mono") adds a certain something - but I'm hard pressed to define what that is.

    KenTaylor
    KenTaylor e2 Member 92980 forum postsKenTaylor vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
    16 Jan 2014 - 7:45 PM

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    Jestertheclown
    16 Jan 2014 - 7:56 PM

    Night Mail was shown only recently on one of the cable channels although I've no idea which one.
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    KenTaylor
    KenTaylor e2 Member 92980 forum postsKenTaylor vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
    16 Jan 2014 - 8:09 PM

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    Paul Morgan
    Paul Morgan e2 Member 1315199 forum postsPaul Morgan vcard England6 Constructive Critique Points
    16 Jan 2014 - 8:12 PM

    With BW you see your own colors Smile

    MichaelMelb_AU
    16 Jan 2014 - 8:28 PM


    Quote: Hi all,

    just intrigued to hear your thoughts on black and white photography - wether it has a connection with history? For example when i look at a photograph in black and white, it reminds me of the past, regardless of the subject matter. I wanted to know if others had the same feeling?

    Personal associations can be different. Recent scientific research has found that when an average joe looks at black and white photo of say, banana, their brain reacts the same way as to the colour one - i.e adds the colour automatically. However, emotional perception is not as simple as trivial recognition and for me photos in black and white may trigger some nostalgic feelings more often than not.

    Technically B&W images are as much thing of the future as artefact of the past. Some of them are distinctively modern simply because their subjects did not exist in the era dominated by B&W film.

    Practically every modern digital camera has B&W mode. And the latest B&W digital camera from Leica is no accident, but careful probing of the ground. We'll see what follows...

    Last Modified By MichaelMelb_AU at 16 Jan 2014 - 8:30 PM
    PatrickElsender
    PatrickElsender e2 Member 569 forum postsPatrickElsender vcard Germany
    16 Jan 2014 - 9:15 PM

    Just like to say that I like B&W in city shots, some portrait, but find colour great with wildlife, insects and landscapes. The lists for both are huge.
    One of my favourite photographers Jimmy Forsyth from Newcastle upon Tyne (R.I.P.) His book "Out of one eye" is fantastic. A lot of his shots would definitely get you into trouble with law agencies of today.
    I really like looking at the old B&W photo's of my birthplace, the old cars and little trucks oh and not to forget the railway stock.
    I wonder if photo's taken today in colour will have the same impact of future viewers as the photo's of yesteryear do.
    Can't stop progress though.

    dark_lord
    dark_lord Critique Team 101464 forum postsdark_lord vcard England125 Constructive Critique Points
    16 Jan 2014 - 10:53 PM

    You could add 'faded colour' to that 'connection'.
    To me, mono works for some images, others not. There are some great mono images around today, especially in advertising, think of Audi for example.
    Some of today's music videos (possible mis-match with epz's demographic GrinGrinGrin) are shot in mono and look good but aren't connected to the past.
    Conversely there are rubbish photos from the past that are in mono 'cos that's what was the main medium.
    BTW Phase One produce a mono only digital back for fine art mono photography.

    whatriveristhis
    whatriveristhis e2 Member 163 forum postswhatriveristhis vcard England71 Constructive Critique Points
    17 Jan 2014 - 12:00 AM

    Some images will only work in colour; a red postbox in front of a green hedge, for instance. Although red and green are opposite on the colour wheel, tonally they can be very close, so b&w probably wouldn't work, as it needs tonal variation. Black and white is very much about tone and texture.
    Conversely, colour can sometimes detract from an image simply by being unattractive in some way, or it can be a distraction, an unnecessary visual complication.
    It's generally felt that monochrome allows for greater flexibility/freedom in the response of a photographer to the subject. It allows for a more personal expression, which is what "Fine Art" means ( photographically, that is; it means something different to a painter ). I often find with my own images that monochrome conveys more of how I felt about the subject. It's less literal, more subjective.
    Some would say that colour tends to deal with the Facts, whereas black and white deals with the Truth.

    jemraid
    jemraid  941 forum posts England
    1 Feb 2014 - 2:21 PM

    My present preoccupation with digital montage is influenced by photographers in the past; Annie Brigman and her self imaging in the first decade of the 20th century and Imogen Cunningham's photographs of Roi Partridge on Mt Rainier from 1915. Minor Whites dramatic and very personal images from the 1950's and 60's. All in B&W and in my mind not so much as B&W specifically but just as images to refer to.

    B&W can simplify an image, making it easier to 'read' but so can a colour image with a limited palette. The tools to do this have been in Photoshop for 20 years or so, I don't see that many practitioners about though. To give an example of what I mean I offer this colour image;

    slot.jpg

    Jem

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