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Sepia Images O.K.?

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JawDborn e2
2 795 1 England
12 Mar 2013 11:30AM
Discussion has been taking place in this week's Forum topic (ending13th March) as to whether group members wish to continue having the option of entering sepia toned images for challenges. Please may I have any additional challenges by Wednesday (13th March) evening?
I'll summarise members opinions the next day so that we can get cracking with the next topic.

Jack

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AnneWorner e2
7 618 43 United States
12 Mar 2013 11:50AM
Sepia is monochromatic - I personally see no reason why this cannot be acceptable. The processing of old black and white film also encompassed sepia toning. I can just look at old images of my great grandparents and find sepia images among them.
JawDborn e2
2 795 1 England
12 Mar 2013 11:59AM
Thank you Anne. I've been looking at some back copies of "Black and White Photography." They all contain sepia toned images.
Hope all is well in Texas. It's still atrocious winter weather over here, with motorists being stuck for over 8 hours on a motorway. Brrrrrr!

Jack
12 Mar 2013 12:42PM
Hi All, One question. Grin So would rule #4 be rewritten to state B+W and Sepia only, so as to not open the way for other tone and filter effects?

Shakey
AnneWorner e2
7 618 43 United States
12 Mar 2013 12:48PM
Black and white images can be toned with selenium toners, coffee coloured toners etc. It doesn't make them not black and white. At least that's how I see it Smile
Carabosse e2
11 39.7k 269 England
12 Mar 2013 12:51PM
Ah, the thorny question - when is sepia not sepia? Here are a couple from my website. The sepia is not the same... some might argue the one on the right isn't actually sepia. It's a whole new world of discussion and controversy! Grin

sepia.jpg

12 Mar 2013 1:12PM
when I was working in the darkroom with silver halide I loved sepia, blue, copper and split toning and all would have been classed as monochrome. I think that all of these traditional techniques work within the "Monochrome" world. Maybe the question should be "is this the pure black and white group or is it the Monochrome group" and if so do we need a "toners" group
JawDborn e2
2 795 1 England
12 Mar 2013 2:18PM
We are simply deciding whether or not to CONTINUE to accept sepia toned images in the b&w challenge group. Duotone/ split tone are still not acceptable, as by definition they are not monotone/ monochrome.
Paul Morgan e2
13 16.1k 6 England
12 Mar 2013 2:21PM
Thats a bit silly Smile
JawDborn e2
2 795 1 England
12 Mar 2013 2:26PM
In the same way the colour green covers a range of green tones, and the colour blue covers a range of blue tones, so the colour sepia covers a range of sepia tones. The B and W group accepted sepia without changing the name of the group, or engaging in the semantics of the word 'sepia'.
JawDborn e2
2 795 1 England
12 Mar 2013 2:28PM
I find you remark offensive, paul.
Paul Morgan e2
13 16.1k 6 England
12 Mar 2013 2:33PM
No need, its just a silly rule.

Colour tinted B&W is still B&W.
GlennH 9 1.9k 1 France
12 Mar 2013 2:43PM
'Black and white' is a subset of monochrome, so technically speaking sepia would be excluded in any strict definition. You could always rename the group!
JawDborn e2
2 795 1 England
12 Mar 2013 2:47PM
I agree, Glenn. But how, apart fom starting another group?
12 Mar 2013 2:49PM
Maybe this needs to remain the Black and White group and only accept Black and white images. We could then start a "Traditional Monochrome processes" Group (someone may be able to come up with a better name) in which all images that had a hint of colour which is akin to traditional silver halide processing (Toned, split toned, Duo toned, Hand Tinted)

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