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This is the first of a few shots I got of some more dancers in the studio and a nice change to shoot a couple of guys, of which more to come. This was shot with a single, gridded spot, up high and right of the camera. I wanted to get a more "shadowed" look to bring a mood to this and get hard shadow to get a bit more of a "retro" feel to it, which went a bit more with his look. I have uploaded versions of this, as I think all have their merits, the final version a "grained" look that I wanted to get and I am not sure if I have overdone it or not. I guess you guys will tell me. But I like this set of images, he has a really interesting look and knew exactly what to do and I really liked the results. Hope you do too. Any comments and constructive crit always welcome as usual Smile

There are more of these to come, I shall upload the best. Another guy and a very, very photogenic girl.....

Camera:Canon EOS 7D
Lens:24-105 f4 l
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Username:johnnyboy114 johnnyboy114
Uploaded:18 Nov 2010 - 4:12 PM
Tags:Black & white, Flash / lighting, Portraits / people
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vickyf
vickyf e2 Member 9vickyf vcard United Kingdom8 Constructive Critique Points
18 Nov 2010 - 4:21 PM

Great set, particularly V1. For me V3 doesn't quite work, but I'm not sure why not!

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18 Nov 2010 - 4:36 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 

Of the three, I prefer the grained mono - V3, because I think it has the most atmosphere. It's a good 'candid' portrait... the reason I think it's more of a candid capture rather than anything else is because the model looks to be in conversation with someone to the left of the camera... and he kinda looks like he's scratching his head rather than posing. The camera work is great, you've got the most from this angle, model and lighting as you could get I'd say. (it's his eye's that are most throwing me... he just looks disengaged from this angle).

I know you won't be offended by my little bit of crit Johnny, as I said, I think you've done a great job with the camera work on this one, but I know you want honest feedback, and I just think you're model's not done too well for you here.

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BettyFlashlight

brilliant boy and shot nice reagards Ju

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johnnyboy114
18 Nov 2010 - 4:49 PM

Thanks guys, really appreciate the feedback. Much appreciated Smile

Al, of course, don't mind at all....interesting you like the grainy one, but I guess you're right in terms of mood. I think it will be an opinion divider personally, but I quite like it. As for his "look", I maybe should have explained in the blurb, but these were more PF shots for the dancers and this was the "look" he was going for....it does look like he is disengaged and talking off camera, I agree, but he also wanted that more "magazine" look for his shots. Someone else that was there did the formal stuff and he saw some of my work before and wanted me to use the light to get his "good side"...these dancers are bloody fickle! lol! But good observation Al, I didn't see it that way when I did it, I thought it looked more like a Smiths album cover or something like that, but can see where you are coming from...maybe some of the other uploads where he is looking at the camera or in different poses with address this....cheers Al, appreciated! Smile

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18 Nov 2010 - 5:00 PM

It's just his eyes really Johnny, the pose is fine no problems there and I think you've probably caught the essence of the guy. But I can't help thinking that he would look more 'convincing' if his eyes were directed downward or off to a side a bit. Glad you're cool with my little crit effort Smile

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johnnyboy114
18 Nov 2010 - 5:02 PM

Yeah, totally, as its constructive.... Wink lol! How I like it! But can see what you mean...there are more from this set where he is looking "up" rather than down....we shall see how they come across when I post them. I think I am going to alternative between the other two dancers as well though....

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18 Nov 2010 - 5:06 PM

I'll be looking out for those, it's great to see you posting again too.

Al.

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johnnyboy114
18 Nov 2010 - 5:07 PM

Cheers Al, but intermittent at the moment, I know, but nice to have use of the studio for a few weeks, so making the most of it until its all over.... :-( lol!

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MattyEdwards
18 Nov 2010 - 5:14 PM

Nice shot Johnny, I want to prefer the grainy one but I think v1 wins. I don't think you have overdone the grain, I jus tthink grain is hard to get right digitally. It drives me mad when I try it Wink

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johnnyboy114
18 Nov 2010 - 5:16 PM

lol! Good point....you can't really replicate it like film does it naturally can you? But glad you like it....and interesting you like the mono more....I was beginning to lean towards the colour now! lol! Cheers Matty, appreciated!

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soulofharmony
18 Nov 2010 - 7:18 PM

Hi Johnny.. l prefer V3 for some reason it compliments the composition especially the skin.. . and like Al, He does look to be in a conversation , taking instruction possibly from his choreographer and thinking of his movements.. etc..and it makes it more dramatic (not the right word, but cant think ) Arty i guess.. which it should, plus just give it slightly more definition

Also like V2. followed by the colour version .. sum up V3,V2..V1

but superb photography all around, fabulous lighting pose.. top notch !

Nikki !

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johnnyboy114
18 Nov 2010 - 7:35 PM

Love the differing thoughts and opinions on this. Its why I love photography so much! Glad you like them and good points you make. Cheers Nikki! Appreciated!

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Diana
Diana e2 Member 72011 forum postsDiana vcard Netherlands19 Constructive Critique Points
18 Nov 2010 - 9:23 PM

Hya JB Wink

love your use of hard light...top dollar

but I guess I don't run with the pack (as per usual)

It's V1 for me he kind of looks a bit like the Fonz (or he could, 'cept the pose is a little errr too posed IMO)

but I like V1 cos his hair and pose is pretty slick which to my eye doesn't lend itself to the grainy touch

(tbh I don't like V3 at all, soz JB) cos to my eyes the 'background' is way too grainy and I don't like that blob of light to the lhs as I look at it

Yo Johnny Boy !

go work that studio !

Diana

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johnnyboy114
18 Nov 2010 - 9:27 PM

Hey Diana

Cheers, no worries, each one will be different to everyone, hence the different versions! As long as you like one of them, then thats good enough for me. And yeah, it IS posed cos thats what he was like! A bit of a poser! lol! But actually, it worked in some of the other shots.

He has got a bit of the Fonz going on, but I kept thinking 80's Rockabilly too! Which is funny as he couldn't have been above 22!!! lol!

Cheers Diana and I WILL get round to PMing you about that PS stuff....soz not got round to it! I am crap and forgetful!

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Richsr e2 Member 790 forum postsRichsr vcard England210 Constructive Critique Points
18 Nov 2010 - 10:05 PM

Like the pose and hairstyle too Johnny, looks like you had a good session for what I saw on FB.
Version 1 for me as the tones look really good. I would also suggest you crop in from the bottom to say just below the elbow crease on this hanging arm as the black are block up down there and I think would be better removed.
Regards Richard

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johnnyboy114
18 Nov 2010 - 10:08 PM

Yeah, good point Richard and actually, now you have said it, would make it look more like the Album cover effect we were trying to get. So will give that a go and maybe post an alternative. Cheers for that Richard, good advice!

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agean
agean  11 United Kingdom
19 Nov 2010 - 2:11 PM

v4 for me,alot of impact.

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johnnyboy114
19 Nov 2010 - 2:13 PM

Cheers Keith, Richard's advice was actually bang on! Best of them all I feel!

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paola1987
paola1987  4 Italy
24 Nov 2010 - 12:09 PM

Finally a GUY!!!! (and a cute one too) Wink haha..... finaly something for us girls to look at.
Seriously though it is nice to see some male models, i also am looking around to find someone who will model for me, to try something new
I think you have made a wonderful set here, my favourite is version 4, maybe a combination, a grainy version 4 would work for me too.
he has a very interesting face, and I love the look, he seems a character from Grease, i also think he would look great with a motorbike as a prop (Harley Davidson maybe)
I also agree that maybe if he was lookind down it would have been a little better.
Great photos, all of them Smile
Paola

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johnnyboy114
24 Nov 2010 - 12:51 PM

lol! Well, good luck in your search for a willing male model....they are a little difficult to find....shall we say that this guy was a lovely guy who was very accustomed to doing this kind of thing. A real extrovert and quite effeminate....nothing wrong with that, but I feel that his masculinity was being subdued somewhat when these images were taken, hence he was happy to pose without direction. That kind of person is hard to find. Hope you manage to find someone....

Glad you like it too....I kinda like the grainy effect with the crop, I need to add that version I think. He could well have been someone from Grease...lol!

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Orinoco
Orinoco  6 England1 Constructive Critique Points
27 Nov 2010 - 11:34 AM

great well lit image johnny, this guy has a great "stray cats vs "ordinary boys" look and you have captured that with a great set and light.

personally the grain effect is a little heavy on that version maybe try subduing it slightly also i am torn between the long and short crop, i think you need the portrait ratio but maybe lose a little off the bottom, to draw your emphasis towards the top.

you have managed to hold the blacks very well with apparent definition in the vest but (and this maybe my monitor) i lose a little distinction between the vest and the shadow. if you try this again a small nim light might help.. worth experimenting next time??

these points are only minor and the shot has great feel, mood and atmosphere and is the sort of image style i could see in a fashion mag

well done johnny

adrian

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johnnyboy114
27 Nov 2010 - 3:13 PM

Cheers Adrian! I would love to have had more time to set the lights up, but the studio keeper was rushing us out as time was up, so snapped these shots right at the end of the session with whatever was there....i.e. one single gridded spot. I am hoping next week I might be able to get a bit more time to try a few more sophisticated setups, fingers crossed. So, I am taking on board all that has been said by you and others regarding the light and hopefully putting it all into practice very soon....watch this space hopefully! Smile Thanks again for the feedback Adrian and glad you like it! And yeah, the looks IS quite Stray Cats isn't it? Blimey, you're going back a few years there.... Wink

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RogerMann
RogerMann  4 United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
15 Dec 2010 - 4:29 PM

Groovy baby, it's so 1960s! There's loads to like here JB and as you may expect the retro feel resonates with me as a fully paid-up old git. No 1 is my fave as for me the grainy version doesn't work too well. In the studio you would have tended to get smoother work in the 60s; on location Bailey & Co hit the TRi-X pan and pushed the ISO (ASA then) for all it was worth.

Excellent all round image with real punch and the gridded spot was a great choice. He's a good subject too and a change from the expected female dancer.

Love it!

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johnnyboy114
15 Dec 2010 - 5:09 PM

lol! Cheers Roger, that all made me smile Smile Yeah, the grainy version was a bit of an experiment, but clearly didn't work...oh well, was worth a try. The light was a bit of inspiration from an album cover actually, so I guess hit that nail well! Smile And yeah, women are fine, fine creatures, but reckon you can get good shots out of blokes occasionally Wink Cheers Roger!

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ToniCuttPhotography

Love the lighting and the detail is superb, x

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johnnyboy114
8 Feb 2011 - 4:58 PM

Thank you Toni, very much appreciated! Smile

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