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I was writing a review of the D3s the other day and considering functions of the camera that I never use.

Well one of those is the facility to shoot 5x4 format images. It is something that I have never considered doing in the field, as I prefer to record all available pixels. However, I do know one Nikon user that always uses this option and this along with a question from Richard on a different crop of the wolf pics got me thinking.

So what would one of the wolf shots have looked like 5x4, and is this a format that I should consider using as a compositional tool in the field? Or should I continue as now and shoot full frame and crop later? I have to say that normally if I crop it is to get to the shot I originally envisioned but for whatever reason could not achieve in camera.

Anyway enough waffle, just interested to see what others make of the 5x4 format and to see if I should ease up on my normal strategy to post FF.

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Title:5x4
Username:csurry csurry
Uploaded:19 Oct 2010 - 7:31 PM
Camera:Nikon D300S Check out Nikon Nation!
Lens:300 + 1.7x
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Tags:5x4, Canis lupus, Finland, Wildlife / nature, Wolf
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Steve_S
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19 Oct 2010 - 7:53 PM
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Great capture Cheryl Smile I would have thought that shooting full frame was the best option, it does give you a bit more leeway to make a good compositional crop. I rarely get the shot I imagined in camera LOL
Steve

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Alvar
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19 Oct 2010 - 8:01 PM
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Great shot composition and colour. Well done.
Alvar

tomcat
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19 Oct 2010 - 8:27 PM
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Full frame has to give you a few post processing options, surely.

Would work with your still shots of Raptors etc; possibly.
Out in the field, whether the UK, or more exotic places Smile ,then the option to crop, must be an advantage.

Adrian

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19 Oct 2010 - 8:35 PM
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Yeah, I can't really see the advantage to making such a crop in the field, except that it does mean that the composition was made in camera, rather than an after-thought as such.

The camera does show the composition by greying out the rest of the frame, but if you see the pic in this format at the time of shooting for composition, does it really matter if you make the crop in post-processing.

I guess I am really trying to understand if there are advantages to doing it in camera, except for being able to say "done in camera". So am I missing something else that the offered in camera crops allow?

WindowonWildlife
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19 Oct 2010 - 8:54 PM
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SUPERB !

lianna
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19 Oct 2010 - 9:09 PM
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Cheryl, i cannot fault this one bit!!! the lighting is superb, the pose/movement is timed perfectly, the detail... well i don't need to comment on that!!!!

I think this is perfect!!! a really SUPERB image x x x

chase
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19 Oct 2010 - 9:11 PM
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I cannot imagine you cropping an image as an 'after-thought' Cheryl,I know you take great care when composing your shot.
So what chages shooting 5x4...quality of the image ?...I would think not so why not give yourself as much room as possible in the original frame to do with as you wish ?
This is a really cracking image,lovely detail,right down to the dew on the grasses,well done !

pluckyfilly
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19 Oct 2010 - 9:48 PM
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superb shot love the pose and detail

banehawi
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19 Oct 2010 - 9:52 PM
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As the 5X4 option is essentially making the crop at the time of shooting, it likely will push you towards more rigour for composing when shooting. Im sure you likely end up with most crops close to a 5X4 format either way, so for me I would leave if full frame, compose as you normally do, which is always good, and then you have all those nice extra pixels to either crop off or leave in.


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19 Oct 2010 - 9:54 PM
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I think the 5x4 crop facility would come into it's own when used for portrait work, or when a 10x8 format was required as the end product. So if you can get the comp right in-camera for the end product, all the more reason to use that facility. Apparently some modeling agencies only accept 10x8 pro lab prints - rejecting A4 home prints, and I recently bought a 10 page pf book from the epz classifieds that was designed for 10x8's.
As for this shot, I think it looks fine in this crop.

Shroomer
19 Oct 2010 - 9:58 PM
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This 5x4 really works for me Cheryl. It brings all the attention straight to the subject and yet still has enough space for it to run into. It doesn't have wasted areas that make the eye wander away from the wolf.
Like it a lot
Richard

LeeFisher
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19 Oct 2010 - 10:38 PM
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I see very little point in shooting this way for wildlife photography and see it as limitting to be honest.
You are cutting down on your potential creative options by shooting in this format when you can simply crop to this after from the full frame.
I agree that the image works well in this format, but is still achievable from a full frame crop, unless I've missed something Smile
As you know things often happen quickly in wildlife photography and capturing the image is the main aim and the artistic bit can take place later unless there is time to compose.

Obviously getting it right in the box first time is the best practice, and helps for retaining full amount of pixels etc... but the final image is what counts for me, and a full frame capture simply provides more options later if you fail in the field.
Fish

Philo
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19 Oct 2010 - 11:03 PM
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My Panasonic TZ7 will achieve 10m pixels full frame but it has the option of shooting at 16:9 and still achieving 9m pixels because the sensor is actually 12m. If I was to crop the full frame shot at this ratio afterwards I would end up with a much smaller image. At least that's how I understand it!
Is it possible your Nikon can do something similar?
Phil

csurry
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20 Oct 2010 - 8:27 AM
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thanks all.

Phil with the Nikon it does not lose any more pixels cropping in camera or afterwards, presuming you are in both instances using 100% of what is available (*this shot is a crop for illustration purposes only).

It simply removes 1/12th (1/6th in total) of the frame from either side. So would pretty much be the same as doing that in PS, of course in PS you could simply remove 1/6th from either left or right for compositional reasons.

I did think about 10x8 as the intended medium for prints, and I do wonder if it is more a portrait function than anything else, but the person I know uses it for wildlife.

So I think the conclusion is shoot full-frame.

I should read more of the manual I think and see what else I might be "missing" out on Wink

Focus_Man
20 Oct 2010 - 2:46 PM
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Interesting topic and I feel that you have arrived at the correct solution. Your pic. by the way, is superb.

Frank

Pete
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22 Oct 2010 - 11:22 AM
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Joolsb displays most of his landscapes in 5x4 format - whether taken on his 5x4 or smaller format cameras. It works for landscapes really well, and seems fine on this shot too.

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