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The photo was taken in Ashbourne. I was going to take some more photos in the church, but it was closed. I looked around, I saw he and his partner (folded up so cloned out) were struggling up the steps, (it could also indicates.. whatever you think.. bring up a child, struggling under the recession..or even a human life )I gave a shot. Forget about the setting, it was severely under-exposed, because I had no time to change the setting. The following up two shots with proper settings were not interesting, because they had moved up and looked to the step way. So, I tried to brightened up this one. I found there was a lot of ....grain(?), anyway, not clear picture. I'll upload the man at 100%zoom at MOD section for you to have a look. My question is:" If the quality is like this, should I simply delete it?" Because I can't find the use for it. I find that club prefers photo with people in it, so I took some for fun and club competition..
I did give a crop, twice!Grin.. and removed a lamp post...
Thanks for looking.. all comments and criticisms are welcome.

Brand:Canon
Lens:EF24-105mm F/4L IS USM
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:12 Feb 2013 - 3:02 PM
Focal Length:105mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/4.0
Aperture:f/8.0
Shutter Speed:1/640sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:400
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Spot
Flash:Off, Did not fire
White Balance:As Shot
Title:A long way...
Username:xwang xwang
Uploaded:4 Mar 2013 - 5:19 PM
Tags:Black & white, General, Man, Push chair
Votes:Voting Disabled
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andylea
andylea  537 forum posts United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2013 - 5:21 PM

really like the comp one this one jasmine brilliant detail really suits mono a belter nice one Wink
andy

leontari
leontari e2 Member 1leontari vcard Greece
4 Mar 2013 - 5:35 PM

Nice perspective Jasmine. A wonderful mono candid picture
Effrossini

richmowil
richmowil e2 Member 5241 forum postsrichmowil vcard England1 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2013 - 5:41 PM

Great composition that leads your eye right through the image.. I Like it a lot!!

iancrowson
iancrowson e2 Member 4211 forum postsiancrowson vcard United Kingdom129 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2013 - 6:01 PM

The composition and camera position are good. You allowed the man to get well up in the frame. The steps and wall lead nicely to the man, unfortunately the push chair is mostly hidden. Although you viewed him as struggling this does not come across when viewing the photo.
As regards the quality I think you have answered the questions as why it's poor. Having the camera exposure set on manual and not setting before shooting gives you a low chance of success. If you keep your camera on a semi auto, say aperture priority with full metering you are likely to get a higher percentage of better images.
Ian

Last Modified By iancrowson at 4 Mar 2013 - 6:01 PM
johnke
johnke  154 forum posts South Africa9 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2013 - 6:46 PM

I see nothing wrong with the grain, it adds to the shot. The rules of any mono print is that it must have a pure black and a pure white and that you have spot on achieved. Your Camera was set to Manual so in actual fact you took the image and not the camera and this in itself goes as credit because you wanted control of the image and this you also achieved. As far as composition goes, this is perfect with the steps acting as you lead in, the question is what was the story. Well the story is open to interpretation and so many people will have something different to say, so who cares what people say. Photography is an art form and we do this because we enjoy it. We also do photography for our selves and the bottom line is, do I like it? If you like it then it's great who cares what others say as it is just am opinion and the most important opinion is your own, Wow,...John

paulbroad
paulbroad  781 forum posts United Kingdom850 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2013 - 6:58 PM

I would definately keep it. A nice candid. Ideally he is not in the best position compositionally, although cropping the position him on a third is not easy. The mono is good with well distributed range of tones although I like colour for such shots. Mono can be a fad and, i think, is often now used for no good reason.

You seem to be using manual a lot. I use manual for set pieces, but if carrying the camera ready for a quick shot, use either aperture priority or P mode. Best chance of a good exposure with a grab shot.

Paul

lonely_oryx
lonely_oryx e2 Member 661 forum postslonely_oryx vcard England54 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2013 - 7:15 PM

Well composed

WhiteRose1
WhiteRose1 e2 Member 41035 forum postsWhiteRose1 vcard England134 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2013 - 9:15 PM

Manual for planned shots, semi-auto for candid/snap shots. I like this candid and it is quite well rescued, Jasmine. I've cropped the white buildings off the top and cropped up to the wall on the right in a mod although the original composition is good to start with. I've increased the contrast and applied a 'Topaz' warm smooth tone.

Dave

nonur
nonur e2 Member 5nonur vcard Turkey8 Constructive Critique Points
4 Mar 2013 - 11:40 PM

A great compo, nice B&W result, I like Mod 3 as well.

banehawi
banehawi Critique Team 10826 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada2830 Constructive Critique Points
5 Mar 2013 - 12:26 AM

Its an interesting shot. Your settings look good to produce a decent image. F/8 with that lens will produce very detailed results, - perhaps he was in motion, and though your speed is fast, perhaps not fast enough for motion? You were far away, so the 100% of the man will lack detail. Did you shoot in colour and convert? Perhaps the conversion wasnt great, or the original lacking in contrast before converting?

I like that railing snaking up the steps; I get the upwards struggle; it suggests to me perhaps sharing the load, with men doing more with the kids; I think it lacks a lot in contrast, and though the man will still look a little indistinct, changing the blac point to be the blackest part of his pants works. IIts also possible to get him on a third too with a crop.

Ive uploaded a high contrast mono, and a duo tone as examples. If however you intentionwas to get the man detailed, you needed a longer lens.


regards


Willie

Hermanus
Hermanus  2 South Africa
5 Mar 2013 - 5:05 AM

Lovely image !! I like it !

xwang
xwang  531 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
5 Mar 2013 - 10:59 AM

Thank you all very much for your kind advices.
Thank you Ian. I'll answer to your questions..one by one, since you are younger than me on EPZ,Wink I might need to tell you a bit my learning history..
1) Why is poor quality?
Because it was severely under-exposed. I didn't have time to change setting.
2) Why it was manual?
I was thinking to take a few photos outside the church.Whatever happened on the opposite side of the street was not my intention. ( I was disappointed that I couldn't get in on my second visit. I did a stained glass I liked very much even the photo was not good for club,later I learned.)
3) Why not set on semi-auto?
I remembered that one of our local club member said: "Walking with P mode,.... in case the Super man landed a few meters away, your setting was not correct.." I thought it might be worth to give a try when I was walking in the street a couple of years ago, and shot Gentleman's hat, was not satisfying. I wondered if the shutter speed was not high enough when both of us were walking. I sensed the problem of "P" was that if the light was low, or as in this case both sides were on the move, it perhaps wouldn't work so well. Any I had to keep changing it back when I tried to use different setting, most of the time my photos are taken when I walk in the street. I don't have a lot of time to fuss about..and the chance that Superman lands in front me a few meters away perhaps less than 0.1%, in real life.Smile
The important thing I learned from Paul was compensation("+" or "-" stops) when I used AE time. And later I found that it could be easily adjusted by Manual. Also since I started with film SLR,it's a bit like the film camera setting, I like the flexibility of manual. But, if it also depends on the situation. When I was waiting at Ashbourne's Shrovetide football event to take photos there, the setting was AE based on I knew the distance and the location I was going to shoot.
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Wow,...John. What a spirit! I really love itGrin...
It is a very important attitude to adopt for a beginner like me. Since even I'd been taking holiday photos for many years, but I never learned anything about photography and wasn't a keen photographer before,but when I got involve in, I've been totally lost since. From technique to how to approach photography.. I just began to get a bit clue, and actually only a few days ago, I had an advice from another photographer. She said that she sent different photos to different places. International competition is different form club competition , club is different from exhibition, so she separated them, and then she did whatever she liked herself... I thought this was an experienced approach. I haven't got that stage yet, but I think I should carry on taking what I like, even they are not good for anything or anybody apart from my own record. Thank you very much, John.
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Thank you very much Paul..I'll keep it then. I just had a look the original. He was in dark grey jacket, the wall was red-ish.. I think that I'd better upload the original for you all to have a look..
Down to the setting matter, I think that your old approach that set aperture at 8 is a good one. It covers most of the situation, wouldn't be too far off form the shoot range.
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Thank you very much Dave for your MOD. I heard of 'Topaz', but I don't have this software. It does increase the contrast. I don't know the exactly advantage of this software. What is the Key difference between HDR or PS's Mutiply effect and "Topaz"? I can see the density changed, but what do you want to achieve when you apply Topaz on what specific photo please? Yeah, cropping.. this photo, due to the lens.. a lot of space, I chose this one, because he turned and just inside the curve of the rail...
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Thank you very much Willie for your technical help and MOD all the time. It was about 2 stops under exposed. It was a very dark and miserable winter day... Normal days this setting would give me a reasonable shot, but that day was too dark. He was moving for sure, and I was not as steady as I should be. I sense that in this kind of unexpected situation, fast speed might help. 640 was quite high.. the only explanation was that we both moved.
Yes, I do need a long lens..but I don't like (can't) keep changing lenses in the street. I like EF28-300mm, but costs too much, and I wouldn't know what to do with this one...I might try 70-300mm...
"...with men doing more with the kids".., ha,ha..Grin, gives men a lot of pleasure and family photos opportunities... Grin


Finally, thank you all very much for your kind help and support all the time.

Last Modified By xwang at 5 Mar 2013 - 11:08 AM
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