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I was surprised not to be shot more times on my last upload Durham Cathedral over looking the river Weir, This is the last in that series, it has been an insight to how people see colour and B/W, at times it can change the shot completely showing much more detail in b/w. Many thanks to everyone who took part with votes/comments.

Brand:Canon
Camera:Canon EOS 5D
Lens:EF24-105mm F/4L IS USM
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Focal Length:105mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/4.0
Aperture:f/16.0
Shutter Speed:13sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
ISO:100
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Multi-segment
Flash:Off, Did not fire
White Balance:Auto
Title:A sight worth seeing
Username:JohnChambersPhotography JohnChambersPhotography
Uploaded:23 Nov 2012 - 9:33 AM
Tags:/ lighting, Architecture, Black & white, General, Landscape /
Votes:35
Voters:malleader · User_Removed · helenlinda · BrianSS · franken · mrswoolybill · woolybill1 · RonnieAG · Cliff1944 · DeSilver · Hermanus · Richsr · Tibetan · gwynn56 · canonfan · TrevBatWCC · tezquirk · LynneJoyce · WhiteRose1 · Alan_Baseley · CaroleS · rayme330 · mikbee · jdinne · carper123 · twelvemegs · barbarahirst · 213hardy · Fefe · pamelajean · PhillipMinnis · saltireblue · AnnChown · jasonrwl · Rock ·
Views:145
Unique Views:54
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User_Removed
23 Nov 2012 - 9:48 AM

Super images, looks more dramatic in B/W.
Regards, Alf.

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helenlinda
helenlinda Plus Member 8342 forum postshelenlinda vcard United Kingdom22 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 9:54 AM

Colour for me with the golden tones of the lit up cathedral SmileSmile
Helen

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franken
franken Plus Member 123521 forum postsfranken vcard Wales4 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 9:57 AM

Mono for me again.

Ken

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BrianSS
BrianSS  8354 forum posts England38 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 9:58 AM

Well . . . . . I don't know which I like the best, to be honest I like both of them, I can't decide between the two! Grin

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woolybill1
woolybill1 Plus Member 8woolybill1 vcard United Kingdom65 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 10:14 AM

I think colour is quicker to attract an emotional response while the b&w demands more time for us to assemble our thoughts, that extra time allowing us to notice more detail.
That is not meant to be a definitive answer, nor does it hold for all kinds of photographic subject; it just seems to apply here. As you know, I was at Durham University and go to Durham half a dozen times every year: I love the place. To my way of thinking V2 appeals to the heart, V1 to the intellect.
Sorry I can only give you one half vote each Smile
Regards
Bill

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mrswoolybill
mrswoolybill Critique Team 8706 forum postsmrswoolybill vcard United Kingdom1217 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 10:17 AM

V1 for me. I've been thinking a lot about b&w recently.
Did you follow the Landscape Photographer of the Year shenanigans? There was a very interesting comment in Amateur Photographer - the Editor Damien Demolder, discussing what is considered acceptable and what isn't, commented that the disqualified picture with its replacement sky 'was obviously a manipulation, unless David Byrne really did find a black & white beach. How much more of a manipulation of the truth can you get than the removal of that which everyone could have seen colour?'
That stopped me in my tracks. No, I don't see things primarily in colour, black and white seems a perfectly natural way to 'see' to me; maybe it's because our generation grew up in a mono world? Anyway it concentrates on the the things that matter, the elements that I would remember.
Moira

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RonnieAG Plus Member 5152 forum postsRonnieAG vcard Scotland116 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 10:27 AM

Another difficult choice to make and my preference keeps swerving from one to another, John: interesting to read the above comments too.
Each appeals on a different level, so this time I am copping out, sitting on the fence and feel either could occupy the V 1 slot.....so 1/2 vote to each.
Ronnie.

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Cliff1944
Cliff1944 Plus Member 3Cliff1944 vcard Scotland2 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 10:50 AM

Some thought provoking comments here.
My first reaction was to choose the colour version but now I am not so sure; thus proving the point made by Bill.
I like both but if I had to choose I would pick the B&W - it seems to suit the subject.
Cliff

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Hermanus
Hermanus  2 South Africa
23 Nov 2012 - 10:58 AM

This is indeed an amazing view !! Very well captured - and I cannot choose between the two versions Smile Both are equally beautiful in their own right ! Great work Smile

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Richsr
Richsr Plus Member 890 forum postsRichsr vcard England215 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 11:10 AM

Colour of me with this image, it just seem to have more depth.
Regards Richard

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Tibetan
Tibetan  3 England
23 Nov 2012 - 11:30 AM

This time John it's V1. mono brings out the tones wonderfully well, and accentuates the street lights which I feel you have not got with colour, regards Leon.GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin

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canonfan
canonfan Plus Member 5canonfan vcard United Kingdom
23 Nov 2012 - 12:13 PM

A fantastic image John. I like the mono image but feel that the colour version has the edge on this occasion
Jim

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TrevBatWCC
TrevBatWCC Plus Member 7TrevBatWCC vcard England8 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 12:39 PM

Another cracking capture, John, and a very fine mono. However, I do prefer evening / night images in colour, so today the colour wins for me Wink
Trev Smile

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LynneJoyce
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23 Nov 2012 - 1:07 PM

V2 for me, though the mono works well too.

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WhiteRose1
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23 Nov 2012 - 1:21 PM

During the daylight I would go for the mono on this, John, focussing on the shapes and structures, but as a low-light capture the mono loses that wonderful light on the Cathedral and the warm brown surrounding and contrasting tones.

Dave

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23 Nov 2012 - 2:27 PM

I am contrary - this time I prefer the coloured version which has such beautiful light. Super mono processing though.Smile
Carole

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23 Nov 2012 - 3:19 PM

The well lit cathedral looks better in colour for me, John.

Ray

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mikbee
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23 Nov 2012 - 4:11 PM

Just my usual boring comment here John.
I prefer the colour !!
Good mono working though.
Mick.

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jdinne
jdinne  12 England
23 Nov 2012 - 4:19 PM

Like them both John, however V2 just takes it for me.

John

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carper123 Plus Member 3329 forum postscarper123 vcard United Kingdom8 Constructive Critique Points
23 Nov 2012 - 4:43 PM

Two super variants, fantastic detail, luv them.
Well done.
Darryl. SmileSmile

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lynks
lynks  7 England
23 Nov 2012 - 5:22 PM

V2 Johnboy.Wink

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twelvemegs
23 Nov 2012 - 5:37 PM

Magnificent capture John.
Both excellent, Im going with mono again.

David

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23 Nov 2012 - 8:30 PM

Some very interesting comments here John, but i will add that I had already made my mind up before I read them..........V1 for meGrinGrin
Diane

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23 Nov 2012 - 9:17 PM

Well, interesting to see the diversity of opinion. It has given me food for thought. So, looking at your picture "from the heart", I favour the colour version in this instance.

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Many thanks everyone it just goes to shows is it B/W or colour, I think both at times it all depends on the shot very interesting to read your thoughts, thank you.

Regards John

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24 Nov 2012 - 10:57 AM

I go along with Moira's comments. I too grew up with Pot Black in b&w and had to learn to see the different nuances in the shades of grey in order to identify the various colours and all the reds. Such things make you appreciate studying b&w images, and you do spend more time looking at them than colour images. I do anyway.

Malc

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24 Nov 2012 - 5:39 PM

I favour colour too John - I think Dave summed it up when he said that colour works better in the low-light.
Ann

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24 Nov 2012 - 10:34 PM

They are just different images but I do agree that sometimes the B&W beings out details that one doesn't otherwise see and I think this is one of those occasions - its v1 for me
Jason

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