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Two versions of the same shot, taken on a walk earlier in the week. I'm not a fan of posting colour and black and white versions of the same shot but, in this case, I can't decide which I prefer. The crop's a little tighter on the black and white, which I think works better but not by enough that I wanted to go back and re-edit the colour version. Smile

I've added a third version, which is the same as the first but with the mole hills cloned out because they look like cow pats!

I'd like to hear your opinion all comments and criticism welcome.

Dave.

Tuesday, 16th February, 2010.
21mm, f/11, 1/160s, ISO-200.

Camera:Canon EOS 400D
Lens:Canon 17-40mm f/4 L
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Title:A walk in the country
Username:DRicherby DRicherby
Uploaded:18 Feb 2010 - 12:33 PM
Tags:Landscape / travel
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fraser
fraser e2 Member 10631 forum postsfraser vcard Scotland14 Constructive Critique Points
18 Feb 2010 - 12:47 PM

I prefer the colour version myself - it conveys the winter feeling better.
Fraser

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barbarahirst
barbarahirst e2 Member 6barbarahirst vcard United Kingdom10 Constructive Critique Points
18 Feb 2010 - 1:05 PM

I really cant decide myself
You shouldnt have put them up together

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gary_d
gary_d e2 Member 7576 forum postsgary_d vcard Wales13 Constructive Critique Points
18 Feb 2010 - 1:10 PM

I prefer the mono and it has been done very well. - gary

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Ayelet_A
Ayelet_A e2 Member 6Ayelet_A vcard Israel3 Constructive Critique Points
18 Feb 2010 - 1:58 PM

Hi Dave!
Lovely composition -wonderful in b&w.

Ayelet Smile

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willgriffiths
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18 Feb 2010 - 2:19 PM

Very good 2 love the mono.
Will

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gingerdelight
gingerdelight e2 Member 8298 forum postsgingerdelight vcard United Kingdom11 Constructive Critique Points
18 Feb 2010 - 2:41 PM

A superb composition David, wonderful colours and tones in V2, however, the monotone is the winner for me!
Carol

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Daisymaye
Daisymaye e2 Member 6Daisymaye vcard Canada9 Constructive Critique Points
18 Feb 2010 - 3:04 PM

I love the mono, the light on the posts is so beautiful! Love the colour too but just not quite as much. Every little detail just pops out at you in the mono. Awesome composition too.........Sandy

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blackbird
blackbird e2 Member 8159 forum postsblackbird vcard United Kingdom15 Constructive Critique Points
18 Feb 2010 - 3:54 PM

definately the b&w for me, you've brought out lots of detail in the grasses

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riprap007
riprap007 e2 Member 101568 forum postsriprap007 vcard England37 Constructive Critique Points
18 Feb 2010 - 4:00 PM

excellent mono conversion

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thebigimp
thebigimp e2 Member 5thebigimp vcard United Kingdom
18 Feb 2010 - 4:30 PM

Very good mono would had liked to have seen it flipped so the fence is on the left I feel that this would lead your eye to the tree better.
Hope you do not mind my comment. John

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EAS
EAS e2 Member 5EAS vcard Scotland13 Constructive Critique Points
18 Feb 2010 - 5:18 PM

Normally my vote goes to colour, but this time the mono seems to make a stronger image and I love the way everything leads the eye to that lovely tree, so V1 for me.

Ann

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Amanita05
Amanita05 e2 Member 4Amanita05 vcard United Kingdom
18 Feb 2010 - 5:28 PM

I Think I prefer the contrast in the mono David, But Love the colour version as well!
Super composition & Great Lighting!

Alan.

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imagio
imagio e2 Member 8imagio vcard England1 Constructive Critique Points
18 Feb 2010 - 5:32 PM

V 1 as I like the range of tones, gives it more drama..

bernie

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Lillian
Lillian e2 Member 5Lillian vcard United Kingdom16 Constructive Critique Points
18 Feb 2010 - 6:45 PM

Great shot and the mono in V1 has it for me
has a nice mystery to it..and no, don't ask why?
Lillian

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DRicherby
DRicherby e2 Member 6269 forum postsDRicherby vcard United Kingdom725 Constructive Critique Points
18 Feb 2010 - 6:54 PM

If I asked why, Lillian, it would ruin the mystery about why you feel it's mysterious! Grin

Thank you everyone for your generous clicks and comments. I'm a little surprised that the mono version is coming out so consistently on top but nonetheless pleased. Smile

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RTDS
RTDS e2 Member 6RTDS vcard Cyprus
18 Feb 2010 - 7:31 PM

Great capture.
Really like them both very much.
Robert

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metro074
metro074 e2 Member 5metro074 vcard Australia8 Constructive Critique Points
18 Feb 2010 - 9:38 PM

Lovely images. I prefer V2 as in my opinion it seems to have more dof and the tones and contrast is super. Smile
Carol

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borrower
borrower e2 Member 5borrower vcard England
18 Feb 2010 - 9:38 PM

SUPER SET OF IMAGES, BUT V2 FOR ME, JUST LOOKS MORE DRAMATIC IN MONO, ALTHOUGH DO LIKE V1 TOO
LOUISE

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Mynett
Mynett e2 Member 6142 forum postsMynett vcard United Kingdom6 Constructive Critique Points
18 Feb 2010 - 10:24 PM

mono looks great


Linda

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morpheus1955
morpheus1955 e2 Member 8morpheus1955 vcard United Kingdom2 Constructive Critique Points
18 Feb 2010 - 10:27 PM

Great shot for me it has to be V1.

Hugh

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tigertimb
tigertimb e2 Member 740 forum poststigertimb vcard United Kingdom66 Constructive Critique Points
18 Feb 2010 - 11:44 PM

Excellent shot David, and definitely the mono for me, liking the extra contrast (everywhere except the cowpats) and bringing out so much detail in the grass.
Think I probably still prefer the composition from the colour version with the extra space on the left, and the mono maybe a touch too sharp in the fine detail of the trees with the white sparkly effect appearing
Tim

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james_murray
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18 Feb 2010 - 11:51 PM

Great shot, like the predominate light tones contrasted with the dark trees of V1, nice use of the frontal light. James

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DRicherby
DRicherby e2 Member 6269 forum postsDRicherby vcard United Kingdom725 Constructive Critique Points
19 Feb 2010 - 12:32 AM

Thanks, Tim — I agree about the sharpening of the tree. Those `cow pats' are actually mole hills, which is why I didn't think to clone them out but, now you mention the resemblance, maybe I should do something about them...

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Cor
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19 Feb 2010 - 8:34 AM

Both very beautyful *****
cor

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maratsuikka
19 Feb 2010 - 1:27 PM

absolutely V1 is SSSUPERB,David

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Adrian_Reynolds
Adrian_Reynolds e2 Member 10202 forum postsAdrian_Reynolds vcard Scotland
19 Feb 2010 - 4:15 PM

Beautiful scene, well picked out, work in both colour and mono,
fine work, Adrian

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Vince52
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19 Feb 2010 - 5:06 PM

Lovely shot, mono has lovely contrast but,the colour edges it for me.
Vince.

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bliba
bliba e2 Member 9bliba vcard Austria2 Constructive Critique Points
19 Feb 2010 - 6:04 PM

excellent....espacially the mono versions....great tones

oliver

thanks for your clicks and feedback Smile

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rpba18205
rpba18205 e2 Member 5rpba18205 vcard United Kingdom4 Constructive Critique Points
20 Feb 2010 - 10:05 AM

Definitely V3 for me.

RJ

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teocali
teocali e2 Member 6261 forum poststeocali vcard England18 Constructive Critique Points
20 Feb 2010 - 2:30 PM

Superb Dave - you really process into mono to perfection. Would have been V1, but since the "cowpat" comment it has to be V3. LOL
Wonderful atmosphere, light and comp.
Sylvia

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ChristineD
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20 Feb 2010 - 4:13 PM

Great capture, works well in mono.
Christine

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helenlinda
helenlinda e2 Member 7338 forum postshelenlinda vcard United Kingdom21 Constructive Critique Points
21 Feb 2010 - 11:27 AM

Works best in mono for me too, although I usually like the added warmth of the colour.
Helen

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Artangel
Artangel e2 Member 5Artangel vcard United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
22 Feb 2010 - 9:59 AM

Sorry I missed this, normally a colour girl but V1 (minus mole hills) def for me. Very nice composition and light. Romney

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FeatherFriend
FeatherFriend e2 Member 733 forum postsFeatherFriend vcard England217 Constructive Critique Points
22 Feb 2010 - 1:56 PM

3 lovely versions here but I like the color version best Dave,
Geoff.

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Bigtoe
Bigtoe e2 Member 6Bigtoe vcard United Kingdom7 Constructive Critique Points
23 Feb 2010 - 1:16 PM

I think the black and white is stronger, and this form also really suits tree silhouettes. Sans cowpat for me also. Cheers, Tony.

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madbilly
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23 Feb 2010 - 8:39 PM

I like both colour and mono versions but I think in this case the mono wins for me, it appears to give more detail and mood. Personally I like the mole hills/ cow pats, it adds to the authenticity for me. Good depth of field too, nicely done.

regards

Bill

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AnneWorner
AnneWorner e2 Member 7618 forum postsAnneWorner vcard United States43 Constructive Critique Points
1 Mar 2010 - 6:54 PM

It's not a "real" photo unless it has a sprinkling of what looks like cow patties!
That said, I prefer the mono over the colour for this one. I like the compo with the fence coming out from the corner, the path leading to the tree, and the placement of the tree within the frame.
Anne

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xwang
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10 Mar 2010 - 12:22 AM

Excellent photo,I like the compoistion,prefer V1.
xiaoli

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Animalsmagic
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25 Mar 2010 - 10:24 PM

I like V3, the path is more defined leading you to the tree and the molehills ? are gone, the fence is a great lead in too, nicely composed too
Mark

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asawyer
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11 Apr 2010 - 1:30 PM

Could make a comment about preferring the cowpats but it's definitely the mono conversion anyway.

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Paul1972
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6 Oct 2010 - 8:50 AM

I like number 3 in mono but also like the colour shot they both work.
Thanks for your critique and comments its very helpful and appreciated.
Paul

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happysnapper999
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24 Nov 2010 - 12:26 PM

v2 the colour one works best for me. The balance of the composition and colours is just right...

But further to our conversation re: ethics... v3 and the missing mole hills falls in to this area. Cleaning up dust spots and hairs is one thing... but when we start removing things we don't like altogether....

Good pic though, I like it.

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DRicherby
DRicherby e2 Member 6269 forum postsDRicherby vcard United Kingdom725 Constructive Critique Points
24 Nov 2010 - 2:15 PM

Thank you. Smile

I can certainly see your point about the molehills. In this case, I'm happy cloning them out because I don't think it fundamentally alters the character of the photograph and they're not a permanent feature of the scene: they just happened to be there on the day I photographed it.

In most cases, I'm not too concerned about an exact representation of the scene because my interest is more in conveying the atmosphere of a place and what it feels like to be there. In most cases, I'll not think twice about cloning out something that I could have physically removed from the scene before taking the photograph, such as a piece of litter or a visually prominent stick. Indeed, the reason such a thing would appear in my photograph is that I hadn't noticed it, which proves that it had no impact on what it felt like to be in the place. Smile On the other hand, I wouldn't clone out a hundred pieces of litter because that would impact on me while I was there.

Although I couldn't physically remove the mole-hills before taking the photograph, I don't think it's misleading to clone them out, as I explained above. Indeed, to play devil's advocate, it may even be misleading to leave them in because they gave people the incorrect impression that cows can be found on this land, whereas, in reality the farmer keeps only sheep in the fields to either side of the path. Wink On the other hand, I probably wouldn't try to clone out an ugly industrial chimney on the skyline, though doing so wouldn't, to my mind, be any more unethical than deliberately composing with the chimney out of the frame. (And whether that would be ethical depends on, among other things, what the photo is intended for.)

I think it would still be reasonable to take an even broader view, in this case. Although I have provided the map location, the title A walk in the country was quite deliberate and I didn't call it A walk on the path from Carlton Lane to Moor Top Farm. Obviously, that would be far too clunky but it's also because my aim wasn't so much to portray that particular location but the English countryside in general. Not making strong and specific claims about what the photo represents does, I think, give more license for manipulation while remaining ethical.

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Hi Dave I would not worry to much about Cow drops/ mole hills, it all adds to the picture but I did think that big white cloud in no mans land to the right was a distraction that leads the eye to quickly out of the shot , when the focus should be on gentle lead in down the track way. I would crop just right of the post and use that post as a frame leaning into the shot, or maybe tone down the brightness of the white cloud. Nice mono version with light and shade on tree, track & Posts.

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