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Thing is, EVERY ONE KEEPS TELLING ME how great my set up is.. Canon 5d mk2, L 24-70 F2.8. Flash Gun 580 EX11, using Gary Fong defuser.
YET I can not take Great Group Shots, They are no where as near sharp compared to my standard portrait shots, which happen to be excellent quality!!!


SO WHAT AM I DOING WRONG!!!!! PLEEAAASEE HELP........!!!

I always shoot in RAW, I have added the details of the shot below.

Flash Gun 2+ stops. (approx 4 meters away from subjects)
f/5.6
Exposure Time: 1/125 sec
ISO : 1600
Focal Length : 43mm

Any thing else you need to know, please ask me.. Thanks for the help everyone...

MA.

Brand:canon 50D mark II
Lens:24 - 70
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:20 Feb 2011 - 6:16 PM
Title:Another Group shot - Sadly NOT PIN SHARP
Username:I_SPY I_SPY
Uploaded:21 Feb 2011 - 7:12 PM
Tags:Portraits / people, Wedding photography
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ShotfromaCanon
21 Feb 2011 - 7:48 PM

Can you get your ISO down to 100? Panatomic film with an ISO of 80 was always a very sharp film while TRI-x was a much faster film but grainier. The higher the ISO, the more 'noise' and a little reduced sharpness. Can you sharpen the image in photoshop or lightroom? A higher f stop (maybe 16 or 22) will also add a little sharpness with more depth of field. You'll probably need more light with maybe a slave flash.
Overall, the picture has good composure and isn't really bad at all. You sure have the camera and lens to get as good a shot as possible.

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I_SPY
I_SPY  4173 forum posts United Kingdom
21 Feb 2011 - 11:44 PM

Panatomic...? TRI-x....?
Currently I Use PS CS5, and I have not yet started to "sharpen" the images, been watching tutorials online to see the best way to sharpen images. I will try a higher F stop, but the more higher I go, the more darker the image gets... hence then I up the ISO... loosing battle here,..

Thank you for taking time to leave comments.

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I_SPY
I_SPY  4173 forum posts United Kingdom
21 Feb 2011 - 11:51 PM

"....You'll probably need more light with maybe a slave flash...."
are you saying, if I add more flash lights. the images will become more shaper, since I will be reducing the ISO I guess...?
I dont know what the problem is....

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ShotfromaCanon
26 Feb 2011 - 3:59 PM

I'm sorry. The tri-x and panatomic referred to old black and white film from which I learned the importance of ISO speed to the sharpness of a photo. You are correct, the lower the iso the more light you will need. However, the wider the aperture, the less depth of field and possibly the less sharpness overall you may get. The farther away the subject is the more depth of field usually helps. Do you always shoot in auto mode? Can you shoot fully in manual mode? Then you can experiment with setting your own ISO speed, shutter speed, and aperture. For example, try ISO 100, aperture at 11, and speed at 1/30. See if overall sharpness doesn't improve. You can experiment with changing the settings around a little until your results are satisfactory.
Finally, joining a camera might help a great deal in getting the basics down and I think you'll be greatly satisfied.
Good luck!

Last Modified By ShotfromaCanon at 26 Feb 2011 - 4:03 PM

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I_SPY  4173 forum posts United Kingdom
26 Feb 2011 - 11:43 PM

Yes I shoot fully auto, I Used to shoot Auto first, but not anymore.. ISO 100, aperture 11, speed 1/30 sounds risky for handheld, shooting a group of wedding family on a stage.. Not sure, but will try it...

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I_SPY
I_SPY  4173 forum posts United Kingdom
27 Feb 2011 - 11:02 AM

Sorry - I actually shoot FULLY MANUAL!! Not Auto..

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ShotfromaCanon

Try using a mono-pod (if not a tripod) and you should be fine.

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discreetphoton Site Moderator 93452 forum postsdiscreetphoton vcard United Kingdom20 Constructive Critique Points
3 Mar 2011 - 8:57 AM

I'd say that for this size, it's relatively sharp, and could easily be sharpened a little more without problems. The more pressing issue for me is that everyone - except the guy behind the bride - looks completely miserable. It's made more obvious by the space between all of the people in the shots.
Entertaining is one of the keys skills of the wedding photographer; you need to make sure that there's no "dead air" between shots. Keep people talking, not waiting, and the shots will start to look better.
If you show most people this photo, I'd wager you'd hear more comments like "it's a shame they're not smiling" than "what a shame it's not bitingly sharp". The mood is almost always more important than the technicalities when shooting weddings.

Last Modified By discreetphoton at 3 Mar 2011 - 8:59 AM

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I_SPY  4173 forum posts United Kingdom
3 Mar 2011 - 6:20 PM

Discreetphoton Thanks for the tip!

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KarenFB Junior Gallery Team 84271 forum postsKarenFB vcard England163 Constructive Critique Points
6 Mar 2011 - 3:52 PM

Actually my first thoughts were:-

a) What a shame there's a bulb gone on the right hand side (it unbalances the shot) and
b) What a shame that guy wore jeans to a wedding! (I would have asked him to stand behind the bride and groom, perhaps had the gent in suit and pale shirt in front to balance the other guy in suit and shirt.

Now you've pointed it out, they do look a miserable lot and apart from the bride and groom they are very casually dressed for a wedding! Is this near the end, has everyone else gone home? Perhaps they were tired!

Last Modified By KarenFB at 6 Mar 2011 - 3:52 PM

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I_SPY  4173 forum posts United Kingdom
6 Mar 2011 - 6:01 PM

Karen, lol... it was near the end. Thanks for the comments.. but I need help "how to take Sharper images" lol.. not on who/whats in the image. But thanks anyways.

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16 Jun 2011 - 2:52 PMConstructive Critique!This comment was flagged as constructive critique! 


Quote: Recording media: RAW (digital)


Quote: Currently I Use PS CS5, and I have not yet started to "sharpen" the images, been watching tutorials online to see the best way to sharpen images.

I think that this might be your problem, right there. Shooting in RAW will not give you as sharp an image straight out of camera as shooting in JPEG. Fact. Why? RAW is designed for the professional who wants to control how the image is sharpened, while the software in your camera will sharpen JEPGs automatically.

If you are shooting in RAW, you have to do some post processing, inclusing sharpening in order to make the image look good - but if you do it right, it will look far better than if you had taken a JPEG in the first place. If you are not sharpening RAW images in your post processing, you will fail.

Hope that helps.

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I_SPY
I_SPY  4173 forum posts United Kingdom
17 Jun 2011 - 12:31 PM

Yes I now understand this, is there are particular way to sharpen "correctly" or is it a matter of trail and error...

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